RE: New Ginetta G60 Road Car Revealed
Discussion
RudeDog said:
UK List Prices:
Lotus Evora - £49,600
Porsche Cayman R - £51,728
Porsche Spyder - £47,843
The market offers us lightweight sports cars with 6-cylinder engines for £20K less than the Ginetta. OK, not quite as niche but hardly on every corner. These cars also have a modicum of technology included in the price, a dealer network and a healthy second hand market. Why does Ginetta think it can command a premium? I don't see what its offering over and above any of the three models I have listed above.
Where are the LIGHTWEIGHT sports cars with 6-cylinder engines in that lot?Lotus Evora - £49,600
Porsche Cayman R - £51,728
Porsche Spyder - £47,843
The market offers us lightweight sports cars with 6-cylinder engines for £20K less than the Ginetta. OK, not quite as niche but hardly on every corner. These cars also have a modicum of technology included in the price, a dealer network and a healthy second hand market. Why does Ginetta think it can command a premium? I don't see what its offering over and above any of the three models I have listed above.
Schnellmann said:
They are only planning to sell 50 so obviously not planning to sell it in large numbers.
That will teach me to read the article properly. I still think they'll struggle to sell even 50 annually and I'm sure their ambition would be to sell a hell of a lot more than that if they could. Cooper500 said:
Schnellmann said:
They are only planning to sell 50 so obviously not planning to sell it in large numbers.
That will teach me to read the article properly. I still think they'll struggle to sell even 50 annually and I'm sure their ambition would be to sell a hell of a lot more than that if they could. 
mazdaman1980 said:
Great so basically for nigh on £70k i get a car that looks forgettable with perfomance the same as a Mazda RX7 Type R which i can pick up for under £7k and will likely handle no better. I suppose the question is then why? I really want Ginetta to do well but this is dull and duller!
So in what way are any of those things not true of, for example, a 911? Porsche seem to manage to sell plenty of them, despite the obvious rush of people to buy an old Mazda instead.kambites said:
So in what way are any of those things not true of, for example, a 911? Porsche seem to manage to sell plenty of them, despite the obvious rush of people to buy an old Mazda instead.
Well with a Porsche you get a lovely interior, better handling, presteige, torque and a Porsche!!
mazdaman1980 said:
kambites said:
So in what way are any of those things not true of, for example, a 911? Porsche seem to manage to sell plenty of them, despite the obvious rush of people to buy an old Mazda instead.
Well with a Porsche you get a lovely interior, better handling, presteige, torque and a Porsche!!Plus until the latest models, Porsche interiors were pretty dire, and they're still not exactly class-leading.
kambites said:
Better handling?!? I'd be absolutely astounded if this doesn't run rings around everything Porsche produce, in handling terms.
Plus until the latest models, Porsche interiors were pretty dire, and they're still not exactly class-leading.
Kam, no disrespect but i dont think you have driven either, im fortunate to drive many nice cars due to my job. You wouldnt say that if you have honestly driven a Porsche GT3, Turbo etc. As for the interiors, they have nigh on 70 years of perfecting their interiors.........Plus until the latest models, Porsche interiors were pretty dire, and they're still not exactly class-leading.
mazdaman1980 said:
kambites said:
Better handling?!? I'd be absolutely astounded if this doesn't run rings around everything Porsche produce, in handling terms.
Plus until the latest models, Porsche interiors were pretty dire, and they're still not exactly class-leading.
Kam, no disrespect but i dont think you have driven either, im fortunate to drive many nice cars due to my job. You wouldnt say that if you have honestly driven a Porsche GT3, Turbo etc. As for the interiors, they have nigh on 70 years of perfecting their interiors.........Plus until the latest models, Porsche interiors were pretty dire, and they're still not exactly class-leading.
70 years of perfecting their interiors? Anyway, no I haven't driven a GT3; have you driven the Ginetta? I have driven bottom end 997s which are significantly more expensive than this, and I stand by my statement that this will be vastly better to drive. My Elise is better to drive than a 997C2S and this damned well ought to run rings around an Elise. Will this be better than the GT3? I don't know; and nor do you unless you've driven it.
Personally, I can't imagine the GT3 being particularly good just because it keeps that god-awful steering rack. But if you don't mind a non-linear steering system, maybe you can drive around it given time.
This is also about half the price of a GT3.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th October 13:29
kambites said:
Who said anything about wanting a car to be raw? I'd hope the Ginetta is quite a civilised thing to drive.
I think it'll sell to people who wish that Porsche still made proper drivers' cars.
Although having said that, Lotus were aiming the Evora at broadly the same market, and it doesn't seem to have worked.
What, so the GT3 RS 4.0 is not a proper driver's car??I think it'll sell to people who wish that Porsche still made proper drivers' cars.
Although having said that, Lotus were aiming the Evora at broadly the same market, and it doesn't seem to have worked. Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th October 11:16
Lotus' aims were completely different. They wanted to sell much higher numbers using a car that competed more directly. Ginetta's aim of 50 cars a year seems very modest and potentially achievable.
Perhaps the brilliant, small-volume, British sportscar makers should up sticks and move to a country where there would be more appreciated as half you lot make Casey Stoner look like a happy-clappy evangelist.
Schnellmann said:
What, so the GT3 RS 4.0 is not a proper driver's car??
I certainly suspect it could easily be a better drivers' car. Basing it on the Cayman rather than the 911 would be a good start. Until Porsche really release the potential of the Cayman/Boxster platform, I will remain disappointed.
kambites said:
70 years of perfecting their interiors? Anyway, no I haven't driven a GT3; have you driven the Ginetta? I have driven bottom end 997s which are significantly more expensive than this, and I stand by my statement that this will be vastly better to drive. My Elise is better to drive than a 997C2S and this damned well ought to run rings around an Elise. Will this be better than the GT3? I don't know; and nor do you unless you've driven it.
Personally, I can't imagine the GT3 being particularly good just because it keeps that god-awful steering rack. But if you don't mind a non-linear steering system, maybe you can drive around it given time.
This is also about half the price of a GT3.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th October 13:29
Well all i need say is Porsche have made the best sports cars as recognised by the industry for the last 30 years and in the last 20 nothing has come close to the all round package they offer which is why every company eim at the 911 as the benchmark and then rarely if never reach it. Ill ignore your Elise, having owned an Elise and an Exige ill rely on my knowlege and judgement thanks. Ginetta make track cars and good race cars. Lets read Evo in the coming months and see what they say..........
..Deploy the wings, Robinmazdaman1980 said:
Wow Kam, you are a facinating person.........
Well all i need say is Porsche have made the best sports cars as recognised by the industry for the last 30 years and in the last 20 nothing has come close to the all round package they offer which is why every company eim at the 911 as the benchmark and then rarely if never reach it. ..
Yes I agree. Porsche make the best all round road-going sports/GT cars in the world, and have done for years. I never said otherwise. Well all i need say is Porsche have made the best sports cars as recognised by the industry for the last 30 years and in the last 20 nothing has come close to the all round package they offer which is why every company eim at the 911 as the benchmark and then rarely if never reach it. ..
And they are such wonderful cars precisely because they are not completely driver focussed. Let me pick a vaguely affordable car to drive to the Nurburgring, lap it a few times and drive back, and I'll probably pick a Porsche every time. Let me pick a car to just lap the Nurburgring once I'm already there and it certainly wont be a Porsche.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th October 13:41
kambites said:
I no I haven't, I was only being half serious. However, if it has the same awful steering rack as the rest of the Boxster/911 range, then I don't particularly want to either. 
It's not even the power assistance they buggered up (although it's still not the most feelsome rack, it's pretty good), the damned thing isn't linear! Of course Ginetta haven't actually said that this will have a proper linear rack, but it would be quite surprising if it didn't since it's hopefully not going to be aimed at people who are incapable of driving in a straight line with a normal steering rack.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 5th October 12:02
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