astra vxr or focus st
Discussion
deano92nufc said:
just wish the tax and insurance wasnt so bad
I don't know about the insurance, but the difference in tax is equal to a couple of tanks of petrol a year. Not something worth worrying about when none of the cars are particularly economic.EDLT said:
The Astra isn't as bad as Dab of Oppo weekly makes out, I'd have the Mazda 3 MPS over both though.
Patrick Bateman said:
I'd have expected either of those hot hatches to be more, given the demographic that tend to buy them.
Patrick Bateman said:
I'm 22, 2 years NCB
I'm a 30 year old powerfully built company director, with full NCB - get back in your bedroom you cheeky kid! 
(Mine is grey, not orange though...)
Please try an ED30 Golf http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3192039.htm
deano92nufc said:
i've looked at all of them wont have renault because its french the golf is just to slow and just dont like the skoda or leon
rumbletum said:
Couple of others to consider:
Golf GTI
Octavia vRS
Leon Cupra
Megane 225 Cup
Golf GTI
Octavia vRS
Leon Cupra
Megane 225 Cup
I'd take the Astra VXR. It's a very underrated car imo, spoiled by too many Clarksonisms! Yes it torque steers if you try and use full boost with too much steering lock, but that happens to all turbo FWD cars, the Astra is a bit of a handful but I get a sense that the designers wanted it to be a bit lairy and wild compared to some of the turbo powered sofas we are seeing on that hatch market today.
Horses for courses really, the ST has a better engine noise, the Astra looks better. The ST has more toys, the Astra has the best seats of any car I've sat, bar aftermarket Buddyclub items. Both have tuning potential, the ST has a lot of support, though I have not read into the Astra I'm sure there are a lot of well known (in owner's circles) options. A few VXR owners I know claim 28-30mpg, the ST owners I know are not so optimistic, the 5 cylinder really drinks and any power upgrades won't help. Having had a few rides in both, the Astra feels quicker to me too, it's less damped, it feels stiffer and raw. It's a terrific overtaking car, line it up, foot in and let it rip! The Sport button in the Astra is duff though, it does firm the suspension up but according to EVO it also alters the throttle map and gives you wider throttle openings over less of the pedal's travel, though none of the blokes that I know who own VXR's claim much, if any difference in throttle, and they all just leave it in sport mode as standard.
A word though, if you go VXR, save the money and get the Remus exhaust system, or a decent custom built system with a deleted centre silencer and minimal muffling on the backbox, and get them to weld the original tip back on (looks better than the Remus one imo), those VXRs sound pretty mental when you unleash them with a good, free flowing exhaust system!
Horses for courses really, the ST has a better engine noise, the Astra looks better. The ST has more toys, the Astra has the best seats of any car I've sat, bar aftermarket Buddyclub items. Both have tuning potential, the ST has a lot of support, though I have not read into the Astra I'm sure there are a lot of well known (in owner's circles) options. A few VXR owners I know claim 28-30mpg, the ST owners I know are not so optimistic, the 5 cylinder really drinks and any power upgrades won't help. Having had a few rides in both, the Astra feels quicker to me too, it's less damped, it feels stiffer and raw. It's a terrific overtaking car, line it up, foot in and let it rip! The Sport button in the Astra is duff though, it does firm the suspension up but according to EVO it also alters the throttle map and gives you wider throttle openings over less of the pedal's travel, though none of the blokes that I know who own VXR's claim much, if any difference in throttle, and they all just leave it in sport mode as standard.
A word though, if you go VXR, save the money and get the Remus exhaust system, or a decent custom built system with a deleted centre silencer and minimal muffling on the backbox, and get them to weld the original tip back on (looks better than the Remus one imo), those VXRs sound pretty mental when you unleash them with a good, free flowing exhaust system!
this really helps alot mate thanks 
Mastodon2 said:
I'd take the Astra VXR. It's a very underrated car imo, spoiled by too many Clarksonisms! Yes it torque steers if you try and use full boost with too much steering lock, but that happens to all turbo FWD cars, the Astra is a bit of a handful but I get a sense that the designers wanted it to be a bit lairy and wild compared to some of the turbo powered sofas we are seeing on that hatch market today.
Horses for courses really, the ST has a better engine noise, the Astra looks better. The ST has more toys, the Astra has the best seats of any car I've sat, bar aftermarket Buddyclub items. Both have tuning potential, the ST has a lot of support, though I have not read into the Astra I'm sure there are a lot of well known (in owner's circles) options. A few VXR owners I know claim 28-30mpg, the ST owners I know are not so optimistic, the 5 cylinder really drinks and any power upgrades won't help. Having had a few rides in both, the Astra feels quicker to me too, it's less damped, it feels stiffer and raw. It's a terrific overtaking car, line it up, foot in and let it rip! The Sport button in the Astra is duff though, it does firm the suspension up but according to EVO it also alters the throttle map and gives you wider throttle openings over less of the pedal's travel, though none of the blokes that I know who own VXR's claim much, if any difference in throttle, and they all just leave it in sport mode as standard.
A word though, if you go VXR, save the money and get the Remus exhaust system, or a decent custom built system with a deleted centre silencer and minimal muffling on the backbox, and get them to weld the original tip back on (looks better than the Remus one imo), those VXRs sound pretty mental when you unleash them with a good, free flowing exhaust system!
Horses for courses really, the ST has a better engine noise, the Astra looks better. The ST has more toys, the Astra has the best seats of any car I've sat, bar aftermarket Buddyclub items. Both have tuning potential, the ST has a lot of support, though I have not read into the Astra I'm sure there are a lot of well known (in owner's circles) options. A few VXR owners I know claim 28-30mpg, the ST owners I know are not so optimistic, the 5 cylinder really drinks and any power upgrades won't help. Having had a few rides in both, the Astra feels quicker to me too, it's less damped, it feels stiffer and raw. It's a terrific overtaking car, line it up, foot in and let it rip! The Sport button in the Astra is duff though, it does firm the suspension up but according to EVO it also alters the throttle map and gives you wider throttle openings over less of the pedal's travel, though none of the blokes that I know who own VXR's claim much, if any difference in throttle, and they all just leave it in sport mode as standard.
A word though, if you go VXR, save the money and get the Remus exhaust system, or a decent custom built system with a deleted centre silencer and minimal muffling on the backbox, and get them to weld the original tip back on (looks better than the Remus one imo), those VXRs sound pretty mental when you unleash them with a good, free flowing exhaust system!
deano92nufc said:
Here is what MSN thinks http://cars.uk.msn.com/reviews/articles.aspx?cp-do... (with subjective comparisons)Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff