What is the cheapest way to get from 0-62 in sub 4 seconds?

[_g_]

I've still yet to actually drive it on the road yet, but I've got an E36 M3 with nitrous (bought from a friend cheap because it needs a few bits doing) which I believe should just about do that and wouldn't be TOO expensive to achieve.

But yes, a bike is going to be the way to go.

Then if you're looking for 'cheap' sure there's plenty of small-name brand kit diy kit cars that will achieve it.

[grimfandango]

I imagine nothing gets much cheaper than a tuned V8 dutton or similar




Probabley not much more than £1000 for one!

[DAVEVO9]

superman84 said:

An Evo fq360 will do it as standard so I reckon an evo 6 with basic mods would be a good option.

True.. A standard clutch though would last 5 mins.

[Onzlouk]

Mars said:

Cerbera.

Everything else is just transport.

I like it when you post that

^^ What he said!

[NISR227]

Pulsar GTi-R, 2nd hand very cheap now and launch very quick with minimal mods, say £2-3k, my old one did a 12.2 at santapod and was only running dyno'd 322bhp which must be pretty close to sub 4secs. It broke the transfer box after mind u, so much stress when launching on a temperental old car!

[petrolpiers1]

Onzlouk said:

Mars said:

Cerbera.

Everything else is just transport.

I like it when you post that

^^ What he said!

+ 1 The old man's Cerbie is a monster, Just make sure you check out the 4.5. All the others are snails

Edited by petrolpiers1 on Sunday 9th October 08:46

[rb5er]

Onzlouk said:

Mars said:

Cerbera.

Everything else is just transport.

I like it when you post that

^^ What he said!

But its certainly not the cheapest way of doing it and would it actually achieve that time without loads of upgrades?

[Sam_68]

Mars said:

Cerbera.

Everything else is transport.

I mean, I know they break down a lot, but that seems a tad harsh... they must get to their destination sometimes?

Unfortunately, however, despite mouth-and-trousers, the Cerbera simply isn't (consistently?) quick enough to meet the OP's requirement when timed by accurate equipment instead of bar-room fantasists with a wrist watch or an i-Phone app:

Autocar road test Cerbera 4.2: 0-60 = 4.0 seconds
Evo road test Cerbera 4.2 = 4.2 seconds
Autocar road test Cerbera 4.5: 0-60 = 4.3 seconds
Autocar road test Cerbera Speed 6: 0-60 = 4.5 seconds
Evo road test Cerbera Speed 6: 0-60 = 5 seconds

(interestingly, the 4.2 litre 'snail' posted the quickest actual, tested time, Petrolpiers)

Talk is cheap, white man... it takes money to buy whisky.

Edited by Sam_68 on Sunday 9th October 09:42

[Steffan]

grimfandango said:

I imagine nothing gets much cheaper than a tuned V8 dutton or similar




Probabley not much more than £1000 for one!

I do not disagree with you a Dutton V8 is the most likely cheap very quick car.

The downside is the lethal handling had 2 tried everything, all new suspension, all new drive train, five types of wheel I never got safely round a corner at speed.

And simply undriveable safely at any speed in the wet.

It would be a pretty difficult car to enjoy on an ordinary road I tried for years.

I think either a big bike engined kit car properly sorted with appropriate suspension settings would be a better option. I personally prefer a red top powered or Duratec powered kit car. The last 1.8 Ford powered car I tried was turning out over 225 brake pulling under 1000 Kilos and definitely sub 4 secs to 60.

It was also a very tractable car and really a genuine long distance road car which no lightweight V8 is ever going to be. IMO.

[ManOpener]

Cheap Impreza STI, stripped out and fitted with the Holset turbocharger off a bus or truck? Probably doable for £2000 if you've got reasonable welding skills, though I can't vouch for how long it would last.

[Sam_68]

Steffan said:

grimfandango said:

I imagine nothing gets much cheaper than a tuned V8 dutton or similar



Probabley not much more than £1000 for one!

I do not disagree with you a Dutton V8 is the most likely cheap very quick car.

...The last 1.8 Ford powered car I tried was turning out over 225 brake pulling under 1000 Kilos and definitely sub 4 secs to 60.

I think we may need another reality check, guys:

The Westfield SEight with IRS (better traction than the Dutton) and J.E. modified 3.9 litre V8 only tested at 4 seconds dead.

It managed 3.6 seconds on a 4.3 litre Big Valve with quad Dellortos (allegedly 330 BHP, but that was Blackpool Horse Power - the engine was built by TVR Power). The engine alone would probably fetch 4 times the value suggested for the Dutton (and try finding a functional V8 Dutton of any flavour for £1K these days).

Your 225bhp Ford engine is basically Caterham R400 spec and in the Caterham (very well developed and with a quoted weight of 525 kilos), yes, it will do <4.0 seconds... just. But don't expect to throw the same engine into any old budget kitcar ( a 225bhp R**** H***? Now there's a thought to make your blood run cold...), particularly one weighing 200-300 kilos more, and expect equally good results.

It is, of course, a simple fact that at least half the cars in the PistonHeads classifieds have <4.0 second 0-60 times, just as all of us here on the forum are powerfully built driving Gods, the Managing Directors of successful companies with gorgeoous wives and a string of mistresses. Forum bullst aside, <4.0 seconds is very quick and is not easily achieved in reality, particularly on street tyres.

[Mars]

Sam_68 said:

Mars said:

Cerbera.

Everything else is transport.

I mean, I know they break down a lot, but that seems a tad harsh... they must get to their destination sometimes?

Unfortunately, however, despite mouth-and-trousers, the Cerbera simply isn't (consistently?) quick enough to meet the OP's requirement when timed by accurate equipment instead of bar-room fantasists with a wrist watch or an i-Phone app:

Autocar road test Cerbera 4.2: 0-60 = 4.0 seconds
Evo road test Cerbera 4.2 = 4.2 seconds
Autocar road test Cerbera 4.5: 0-60 = 4.3 seconds
Autocar road test Cerbera Speed 6: 0-60 = 4.5 seconds
Evo road test Cerbera Speed 6: 0-60 = 5 seconds

(interestingly, the 4.2 litre 'snail' posted the quickest actual, tested time, Petrolpiers)

Talk is cheap, white man... it takes money to buy whisky.

Edited by Sam_68 on Sunday 9th October 09:42

It's true that they left the factory in various states of tune and fit 'n' finish but most of their owners over the past decade have put right what the factory "roughed in" by now and there will be few 4.5s out there incapable of an easy-sub-4 second 60mph.

And they are cheap. And for those 4.5s that can't make it, there are easy and cheap ways to sort out the inlets to achieve the power required.

And the "break down a lot" comment doesn't really deserve a response.

[GroundEffect]

Just get something 4WD, Japanese and cheap then stick a massive great turbo on it. Go go go.

[croyde]

My little Street Triple has a 0-60 of 3.7 secs according to most magazines, so you don't need a super sports to achieve that.

[bakerstreet]

Zad said:

An ex insurance write-off Hyabusa, Blackbird etc?

In terms of 4 wheels, I would think a Lotus-7-alike, and a turbo engine up front with the boost turned way up, the diff welded, slick tyres and maybe some nitrous.

Making it go around corners and last more than 5 minutes or so is an entirely different thing. When you optimise for 2 difficult targets, the other parameters tend to get overlooked.

200bhp using a 2.0ltr engine in a caterham stle car should be able to get he sprint down to 4-5s with out needing turbos or nos.

However the simple answer to the question is mid 90s 750cc sports bike that can be bought for £1500

[Sam_68]

Mars said:

...there will be few 4.5s out there incapable of an easy-sub-4 second 60mph.

[robsco]

Sam_68 said:

I mean, I know they break down a lot, but that seems a tad harsh... they must get to their destination sometimes?

Unfortunately, however, despite mouth-and-trousers, the Cerbera simply isn't (consistently?) quick enough to meet the OP's requirement when timed by accurate equipment instead of bar-room fantasists with a wrist watch or an i-Phone app:

Autocar road test Cerbera 4.2: 0-60 = 4.0 seconds
Evo road test Cerbera 4.2 = 4.2 seconds
Autocar road test Cerbera 4.5: 0-60 = 4.3 seconds
Autocar road test Cerbera Speed 6: 0-60 = 4.5 seconds
Evo road test Cerbera Speed 6: 0-60 = 5 seconds

(interestingly, the 4.2 litre 'snail' posted the quickest actual, tested time, Petrolpiers)

Talk is cheap, white man... it takes money to buy whisky.

Edited by Sam_68 on Sunday 9th October 09:42

I very much doubt the OP would notice the difference between 4 seconds and 3.9, to suggest he would is obtuse. The OP's requirement is something which not only is extremely fast, but gives him the adrenalin rush that he craves. There's virtually nothing on the roads short of spending hundreds of thousands of pounds that gets the heart pumping like a TVR.

[Sam_68]

robsco said:

I very much doubt the OP would notice the difference between 4 seconds and 3.9, to suggest he would is obtuse.

I very much doubt he would get anywhere close to a 4-second 0-60 time with a Cerbera (or many of the other cars listed on this thread, so you're probably right, it's academic ...as I said in my first response to this thread.

Doing a 0-60 standing start in <4 seconds on road tires requires that you are both quite skilled and incredibly mechanically abusive, but the fact remains that:
a) He asked for sub 0-62 times (even the extra 2 mph is significant if you're timing to a tenth of a second) and;
b) Even factory-prepared road test Cerberas failed to achieve those times in any properly timed road test I'm aware of.

robsco said:

There's virtually nothing on the roads that gets the heart pumping like a TVR.

Yes, I know, I've owned one - it's called 'being scared stless'. You don't need to risk your drivetrain with a standing-start, though; you just need to try to keep up with a well-driven hot hatch on a typical english back road.

[Y282]

Foxeye blade. Dirt, dirt cheap atm.

[Pothole]

I recently saw a decent looking ZX9R for sale for £850...bet you could haggle it down to £750 and it would do sub 4 second 0-60s all day long (and sub 11 second quarter miles too)