RE: Driven: BMW 640d Coupe

[y2blade]

thewheelman said:

kambites said:

thewheelman said:

This makes me laugh, not one person that i know would buy a £60k coupe with mpg as the most important thing. Which those costs are negated by the huge depreciation.

But don't the diesels hold their value massively better, too?

Yet it'll still lose approx 50% of it's value in the first 3 years.

3yrs old petrol 6 series (650i)
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3277086.htm
how much has that lost?

[kambites]

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

No, I think you are (probably intentionally) failing to see the point - the diesel is massively cheaper to run in every way than the petrol version, and frankly makes it look rather silly. Fuel economy is a significant part of that, even if it's not the biggest part; depreciation is also a big part where the diesel wins by a huge margin; add in the massive difference in BiK tax for company car drivers and the petrol just looks stupid.

You seem to be implying that unless you buy a supermini, you have no reason or right to worry about running costs, which is just silly.

[Morba]

thewheelman said:

How exactly? Anyone with their own business can call themselves a company director. Belive me, find the right tax loopholes.

I didn't realise there was a tax loop hole to avoid BIK

[thewheelman]

y2blade said:

thewheelman said:

kambites said:

thewheelman said:

This makes me laugh, not one person that i know would buy a £60k coupe with mpg as the most important thing. Which those costs are negated by the huge depreciation.

But don't the diesels hold their value massively better, too?

Yet it'll still lose approx 50% of it's value in the first 3 years.

3yrs old petrol 6 series (650i)
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3277086.htm
how much has that lost?

Again, you fail to see the point.

[Ramses]

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You know some very unusual people then.

£260k car, sure, mpg is unlikely to be a concern
£160k car, maybe, mpg will be unimportant

£60k is verging on mass market - and mpg has a BIG impact on such car prices...as proved by 9 in 10 6-series sales being oil-burning.

[Caulkhead]

Ramses said:

kambites said:

Over 50mpg on a largely meaningless test, yes. I'd be surprised if many owners average more than about 40 over their period of ownership.

True. Still incredible for a 310bhp, sub-6sec, big GT though.

The new 911 does over 43mpg on the same test and is a fair bit quicker and that's on petrol. I doubt any owner of either would ever see anywhere near those figures in reality just as I never got near the claimed 42mpg for my 335d.

[E38Ross]

thewheelman said:

You're very wrong there.

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

[Morba]

thewheelman said:

Again, you fail to see the point.

92% of previous 6 series buyers fail to see your point. Maybe you should go educate them.

[kambites]

E38Ross said:

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

To be fair, the 6-series probably isn't as good as an M3 or an RS4 either, as a drivers' car.

[kambites]

Caulkhead said:

The new 911 does over 43mpg on the same test and is a fair bit quicker and that's on petrol. I doubt any owner of either would ever see anywhere near those figures in reality just as I never got near the claimed 42mpg for my 335d.

I doubt any 911 drivers get 43mpg either, although I suspect it'll get closer to its figures than this will.

[thewheelman]

Ramses said:

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You know some very unusual people then.

£260k car, sure, mpg is unlikely to be a concern
£160k car, maybe, mpg will be unimportant

£60k is verging on mass market - and mpg has a BIG impact on such car prices...as proved by 9 in 10 6-series sales being oil-burning.

Not really, look at how many cars are in the £60k area. But then i deal more with enthusiasts that enjoy cars for what they are, not for the mpg. Thank fk for that!

[Dr Interceptor]

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires.

Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.

His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

[thewheelman]

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

You're very wrong there.

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

I was comparing the 6 series to the RS5.

[adz13091982]

Dr Interceptor said:

You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires.

Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.

His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

That's why he's a millionare

[Dr Interceptor]

adz13091982 said:

That's why he's a millionare

Eggszachary

[E38Ross]

thewheelman said:

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

You're very wrong there.

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

I was comparing the 6 series to the RS5.

Well you may as well compare the 6 to its actual rival from audi which would be....? A7??

[Garlick]

Dr Interceptor said:

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires.

Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.

His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

Expensive diesels are taking the market by storm wheelman.

Range Rover, S-Class, 7 Series, Panamera, Cayenne etc are all best sellers. The Audi R8 V10 diesel will do very well too. Even the rich get bored with giving their hard-earned to Shell, the daily driver needs an element of frugality regardless of your enthusiast credentials.

Don't let your personal preference get in the way of reality

[AdamPT]

thewheelman said:

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

You're very wrong there.

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

I was comparing the 6 series to the RS5.

wait till the m6 breaks cover!

[thewheelman]

Dr Interceptor said:

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires.

Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.

His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

Fair point, as i have mentioned before, i generally deal more so with enthusiasts etc. Personally i could never buy a diesel myself. Driven many, & i just don't like them. That includes a Brabus Merc Diesel, fast, yet the petrol was just more enjoyable in every way.

[thewheelman]

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

You're very wrong there.

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

I was comparing the 6 series to the RS5.

Well you may as well compare the 6 to its actual rival from audi which would be....? A7??

I was comparing Audis largest coupe to BMWs.