RE: Driven: BMW 640d Coupe

[paranoid airbag]

Dr Interceptor said:

but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

Last time I checked, even a diesel S-Class was not the cheapest way of getting from A to B.

[Riggers]

thewheelman said:

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

You're very wrong there.

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

I was comparing the 6 series to the RS5.

On the basis of 640i vs RS5 (not driven the 640d) I would personally plump for the BMW. But that's very much a subjective opinion, and drawn largely from the fact that I reckon the 640i does 'GT car' better than the RS5 does, er, whatever you would call the RS5, M3, C63-type of car.

[y2blade]

Garlick said:

Dr Interceptor said:

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires.

Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.

His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

Expensive diesels are taking the market by storm wheelman.

Range Rover, S-Class, 7 Series, Panamera, Cayenne etc are all best sellers. The Audi R8 V10 diesel will do very well too. Even the rich get bored with giving their hard-earned to Shell, the daily driver needs an element of frugality regardless of your enthusiast credentials.

Don't let your personal preference get in the way of reality

His blinkers are on Paul...he won't see it.

[thewheelman]

Garlick said:

Dr Interceptor said:

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires.

Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.

His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

Expensive diesels are taking the market by storm wheelman.

Range Rover, S-Class, 7 Series, Panamera, Cayenne etc are all best sellers. The Audi R8 V10 diesel will do very well too. Even the rich get bored with giving their hard-earned to Shell, the daily driver needs an element of frugality regardless of your enthusiast credentials.

Don't let your personal preference get in the way of reality

I'm not doubting the sales figures. It just amazes me that people can spend so much on their cars, then have an issue with running costs. The Range Rover makes perfect sense in diesel, yet the R8 V10, sorry but it just doesn't add up to me. A workhorse & a supercar have very different uses. I admit, i'm no fan of diesel, & i do agree they sell well, & have their uses.

[thewheelman]

y2blade said:

Garlick said:

Dr Interceptor said:

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires.

Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.

His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

Expensive diesels are taking the market by storm wheelman.

Range Rover, S-Class, 7 Series, Panamera, Cayenne etc are all best sellers. The Audi R8 V10 diesel will do very well too. Even the rich get bored with giving their hard-earned to Shell, the daily driver needs an element of frugality regardless of your enthusiast credentials.

Don't let your personal preference get in the way of reality

His blinkers are on Paul...he won't see it.

Well that was a pedantic & pointless comment. Anymore?

[y2blade]

thewheelman said:

y2blade said:

Garlick said:

Dr Interceptor said:

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires.

Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.

His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

Expensive diesels are taking the market by storm wheelman.

Range Rover, S-Class, 7 Series, Panamera, Cayenne etc are all best sellers. The Audi R8 V10 diesel will do very well too. Even the rich get bored with giving their hard-earned to Shell, the daily driver needs an element of frugality regardless of your enthusiast credentials.

Don't let your personal preference get in the way of reality

His blinkers are on Paul...he won't see it.

Well that was a pedantic & pointless comment. Anymore?

Nope

[pSyCoSiS]

What a hugely impressive machine.

Nothing really comes close to those figures, in terms of power, performance and economy.

No brainer

[thewheelman]

Riggers said:

thewheelman said:

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

You're very wrong there.

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

I was comparing the 6 series to the RS5.

On the basis of 640i vs RS5 (not driven the 640d) I would personally plump for the BMW. But that's very much a subjective opinion, and drawn largely from the fact that I reckon the 640i does 'GT car' better than the RS5 does, er, whatever you would call the RS5, M3, C63-type of car.

Why compare the RS5 to the M3, the RS4 was generally aimed more at the M3. If anything, the RS5 sits inbetween the M3 & 6 series in terms of size.

[kambites]

thewheelman said:

I'm not doubting the sales figures. It just amazes me that people can spend so much on their cars, then have an issue with running costs. The Range Rover makes perfect sense in diesel, yet the R8 V10, sorry but it just doesn't add up to me. A workhorse & a supercar have very different uses. I admit, i'm no fan of diesel, & i do agree they sell well, & have their uses.

I don't understand what you think the petrol offers, in this case. People will look at the 640i and 640d... and see that the petrol offers absolutely nothing over the diesel, which costs half as much to run. Why on earth would they pick the petrol?

[thewheelman]

y2blade said:

thewheelman said:

y2blade said:

Garlick said:

Dr Interceptor said:

thewheelman said:

Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.

You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires.

Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.

His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.

Expensive diesels are taking the market by storm wheelman.

Range Rover, S-Class, 7 Series, Panamera, Cayenne etc are all best sellers. The Audi R8 V10 diesel will do very well too. Even the rich get bored with giving their hard-earned to Shell, the daily driver needs an element of frugality regardless of your enthusiast credentials.

Don't let your personal preference get in the way of reality

His blinkers are on Paul...he won't see it.

Well that was a pedantic & pointless comment. Anymore?

Nope

Good, thought this would be another bout of you trolling again.

[E38Ross]

thewheelman said:

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

You're very wrong there.

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

I was comparing the 6 series to the RS5.

Well you may as well compare the 6 to its actual rival from audi which would be....? A7??

I was comparing Audis largest coupe to BMWs.

No you weren't. They do an A7. The a5 is similar to 3 series and totally different category to the 6!

[kambites]

E38Ross said:

No you weren't. They do an A7. The a5 is similar to 3 series and totally different category to the 6!

The A7 isn't a coupe, is it?

[E38Ross]

thewheelman said:

Why compare the RS5 to the M3, the RS4 was generally aimed more at the M3. If anything, the RS5 sits inbetween the M3 & 6 series in terms of size.

Again, no it doesn't. It's. Based on the a4 so similar to 3 coupe

[thewheelman]

kambites said:

thewheelman said:

I'm not doubting the sales figures. It just amazes me that people can spend so much on their cars, then have an issue with running costs. The Range Rover makes perfect sense in diesel, yet the R8 V10, sorry but it just doesn't add up to me. A workhorse & a supercar have very different uses. I admit, i'm no fan of diesel, & i do agree they sell well, & have their uses.

I don't understand what you think the petrol offers, in this case. People will look at the 640i and 640d... and see that the petrol offers absolutely nothing over the diesel, which costs half as much to run. Why on earth would they pick the petrol?

Maybe you should get on the phone to BMW & tell them to stop production of the petrol model.

[Laird]

kambites said:

Ramses said:

kambites said:

Over 50mpg on a largely meaningless test, yes. I'd be surprised if many owners average more than about 40 over their period of ownership.

True. Still incredible for a 310bhp, sub-6sec, big GT though.

Yes, even if people average about 40, that's still quite impressive for the weight and performance.

40mpg compared with the low twenties the petrol will return for virtually no loss in performance?

Where do I sign?

Yours,

Diesel Convert.

[Ramses]

thewheelman said:

kambites said:

thewheelman said:

I'm not doubting the sales figures. It just amazes me that people can spend so much on their cars, then have an issue with running costs. The Range Rover makes perfect sense in diesel, yet the R8 V10, sorry but it just doesn't add up to me. A workhorse & a supercar have very different uses. I admit, i'm no fan of diesel, & i do agree they sell well, & have their uses.

I don't understand what you think the petrol offers, in this case. People will look at the 640i and 640d... and see that the petrol offers absolutely nothing over the diesel, which costs half as much to run. Why on earth would they pick the petrol?

Maybe you should get on the phone to BMW & tell them to stop production of the petrol model.

No, because 8 people in every 100 are as blinkered as you are and stump up for a petrol version of a great GT

[kambites]

thewheelman said:

Maybe you should get on the phone to BMW & tell them to stop production of the petrol model.

Give it a few years, and I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped selling them in the UK.

With only 8% (and falling) of all 6-series in the UK being petrol, how long will it be commercially viable to still produce RHD petrol versions?

[Twincam16]

Very appealing car, although I'm not sure about the interior - the centre console looks like a giant laptop computer.

[thewheelman]

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

E38Ross said:

thewheelman said:

You're very wrong there.

But it's not as good as an m3 or even the rs4. I've driven all 3 and preferred the m3

I was comparing the 6 series to the RS5.

Well you may as well compare the 6 to its actual rival from audi which would be....? A7??

I was comparing Audis largest coupe to BMWs.

No you weren't. They do an A7. The a5 is similar to 3 series and totally different category to the 6!

Show me an A7 2 door coupe......oh....you can't. ffs

[thewheelman]

Ramses said:

thewheelman said:

kambites said:

thewheelman said:

I'm not doubting the sales figures. It just amazes me that people can spend so much on their cars, then have an issue with running costs. The Range Rover makes perfect sense in diesel, yet the R8 V10, sorry but it just doesn't add up to me. A workhorse & a supercar have very different uses. I admit, i'm no fan of diesel, & i do agree they sell well, & have their uses.

I don't understand what you think the petrol offers, in this case. People will look at the 640i and 640d... and see that the petrol offers absolutely nothing over the diesel, which costs half as much to run. Why on earth would they pick the petrol?

Maybe you should get on the phone to BMW & tell them to stop production of the petrol model.

No, because 8 people in every 100 are as blinkered as you are and stump up for a petrol version of a great GT

So where are all the other great diesel powered GT cars? The Astons, Bentleys, Ferraris, Maseratis, Mercedes. All very well known for great GT cars, how many of them are diesel?