RE: Driven: BMW 640d Coupe
Discussion
kambites said:
E38Ross said:
No you weren't. They do an A7. The a5 is similar to 3 series and totally different category to the 6!
The A7 isn't a coupe, is it? thewheelman said:
Garlick said:
Dr Interceptor said:
thewheelman said:
Still you fail to see the point. People penny pinching over mpg are not seeing the big picture. Once again, i don't know anyone with a £60k car that cares about mpg. Yet here there are people saying how great the mpg is on this fugly 6 series, & how ECONOMICAL it is. If you want economy, don't buy a £60k car as depreciation will be huge.
You would be surprised. People don't get into a situation of being able to afford a £60k car by being frivolous with their cash - some of the most cost concious people I know are millionaires. Our CEO here at work lives 20 miles away, so a 40 mile round trip six days a week. He also has a pad down in Devon which he heads to every other weekend.
His car is a diesel S-Class. He's a millionaire, and could well have bought an AMG model for £120k plus, but he doesn't want to spend any more than he has to in travelling from A to B.
Range Rover, S-Class, 7 Series, Panamera, Cayenne etc are all best sellers. The Audi R8 V10 diesel will do very well too. Even the rich get bored with giving their hard-earned to Shell, the daily driver needs an element of frugality regardless of your enthusiast credentials.
Don't let your personal preference get in the way of reality
This was not the case 10 years ago when diesels were horrid, and may not be the case in 10 years time.
For weekends and fun, a lightweight sportscar with a revvy petrol engine will always be more enjoyable than almost any diesel.
Its not about whether diesel is better than petrol. For the best of both worlds, get both. A 335D & a Caterham would cost about the same as a 640D...
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
kambites said:
thewheelman said:
I'm not doubting the sales figures. It just amazes me that people can spend so much on their cars, then have an issue with running costs. The Range Rover makes perfect sense in diesel, yet the R8 V10, sorry but it just doesn't add up to me. A workhorse & a supercar have very different uses. I admit, i'm no fan of diesel, & i do agree they sell well, & have their uses.
I don't understand what you think the petrol offers, in this case. People will look at the 640i and 640d... and see that the petrol offers absolutely nothing over the diesel, which costs half as much to run. Why on earth would they pick the petrol? 
Look past the diesel then; its quick and has lots of grunt where it counts.
And then realise it still does 40-50mpg.
You wont even realise its a diesel (noise wise) until you lower the windows. The same goes for the V8/M6, you never really got the noise experiance of what they were until you lowered the windows.
Amazing.
And then realise it still does 40-50mpg.
You wont even realise its a diesel (noise wise) until you lower the windows. The same goes for the V8/M6, you never really got the noise experiance of what they were until you lowered the windows.
Amazing.
Morba said:
thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
kambites said:
thewheelman said:
I'm not doubting the sales figures. It just amazes me that people can spend so much on their cars, then have an issue with running costs. The Range Rover makes perfect sense in diesel, yet the R8 V10, sorry but it just doesn't add up to me. A workhorse & a supercar have very different uses. I admit, i'm no fan of diesel, & i do agree they sell well, & have their uses.
I don't understand what you think the petrol offers, in this case. People will look at the 640i and 640d... and see that the petrol offers absolutely nothing over the diesel, which costs half as much to run. Why on earth would they pick the petrol? thewheelman said:
kambites said:
I think it's actually a hatchback isn't it? Or is that just the funny four door A5?
I thought it was a hatchback too.HellDiver said:
640d (mapped)?
Hahaha just what I was thinking :-)Does anyone realise that a 335i (mapped) would be faster than 335d (mapped)
All diesels still sound like tractors and even though they are suppose to be clean, I always notice modern cars producing black smoke on acceleration on the motorways. Petrol (per litre) and servicing is cheaper so not that much benefit to diesel in my opinion. They smell also.
ks bThe Petrol vs Diesel debate will go on, I think most people wanting a spirited fast drive / track fun will opt for the high reving petrol option.
However, people that buy most 6 series (with the exception perhaps of a few M6 owners) are I suspect wanting comfort, wafting ability and some frugality, for their daily largely monotonous motorway commutes.
With fuel prices continuing to rise, I would say it is totally understandable to go for the diesel 6 series - as it has the best engine for what most owners will use it for (i.e. not track days or sunday morning blasts down a country lane).
My problem with this type of car is it is pure style over substance, a 540d will be a match or better car in every respect, apart from looking "sporty", which I dont this this 2ton 6 series beast is.
However, people that buy most 6 series (with the exception perhaps of a few M6 owners) are I suspect wanting comfort, wafting ability and some frugality, for their daily largely monotonous motorway commutes.
With fuel prices continuing to rise, I would say it is totally understandable to go for the diesel 6 series - as it has the best engine for what most owners will use it for (i.e. not track days or sunday morning blasts down a country lane).
My problem with this type of car is it is pure style over substance, a 540d will be a match or better car in every respect, apart from looking "sporty", which I dont this this 2ton 6 series beast is.
fastgerman said:
HellDiver said:
640d (mapped)?
Hahaha just what I was thinking :-)Does anyone realise that a 335i (mapped) would be faster than 335d (mapped)
All diesels still sound like tractors and even though they are suppose to be clean, I always notice modern cars producing black smoke on acceleration on the motorways. Petrol (per litre) and servicing is cheaper so not that much benefit to diesel in my opinion. They smell also.
The plume of black smoke under acceleration looks terrible.thewheelman said:
Ramses said:
thewheelman said:
kambites said:
thewheelman said:
I'm not doubting the sales figures. It just amazes me that people can spend so much on their cars, then have an issue with running costs. The Range Rover makes perfect sense in diesel, yet the R8 V10, sorry but it just doesn't add up to me. A workhorse & a supercar have very different uses. I admit, i'm no fan of diesel, & i do agree they sell well, & have their uses.
I don't understand what you think the petrol offers, in this case. People will look at the 640i and 640d... and see that the petrol offers absolutely nothing over the diesel, which costs half as much to run. Why on earth would they pick the petrol? Of those GT cars, only one REALLY competes with the £60k 6-Series - the Merc CLK, the majority sold are diesel.
Beyond that none....yet. But as they are potentially missing out on 92% of sales, others are looking at it (Merc with the SL and CL, plus Bentley have been working on a Conti Oil Burner for 3 years+).
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