RE: Six Of The Best? Forgotten Hot Hatches

[PaulG40]

Chris944_S2 said:

Don't know if this counts as forgotten yet, but overshaddowed by the Golf GTI/16V/G60 of the same era


Only about 115BHP but has almost no weight to carry

Yep! Ace cars, fun and G-smiles all the way! Just swapping suspension transformed the handling, but the little critter was always on the back foot compared to the mk1 golf gti thanks to the anti roll bar that did everything bar put the kettle on.

The mk2 polo gt g40 in Germany was even more fun as it was only 710kg and 115bhp (non cat)!


An simple rechip and 65mm pulley swap transformed the car's performance and was the biggest the most effective mod you could do! After that porting the charger and an air filter, exhaust, easy 150bhp and 185ishbhp/ton and a shed load of low and mid range torque.

Edited by PaulG40 on Thursday 27th October 09:36

[Terzo123]

tali1 said:

"Rare as hens teeth now." ?
They were rare and forgotten from day 1 as less than 400 sold in uk

Didn't realise so few were sold here

I had one back in 1998/9 and as did one of my work colleagues i trained with. Great lttle car, would put most of the popular hot hatches of the time to shame.

[IrrElephant]

The EE9 Civic is indeed an awesome car. Very advanced for its time.

[Stew2000]

Interesting numbers..
Good luck finding a Golf G60.

http://howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_polo_c...
http://howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=G60

[tali1]

Terzo123 said:

tali1 said:

"Rare as hens teeth now." ?
They were rare and forgotten from day 1 as less than 400 sold in uk

Didn't realise so few were sold here

I had one back in 1998/9 and as did one of my work colleagues i trained with. Great lttle car, would put most of the popular hot hatches of the time to shame.

Got figures from old What Car? mag it was@ 350 each for 1.6-16v and VTEC
Will try to dig it out for exact figures
Far more intresting than CRX
There is a metallic grey H reg VTEC local to me.

[Terzo123]

tali1 said:

Got figures from old What Car? mag it was@ 350 each for 1.6-16v and VTEC
Will try to dig it out for exact figures
Far more intresting than CRX
There is a metallic grey H reg VTEC local to me.

The one i had was Metallic Grey on J plate, I really wish i had taken some pictures of it

I kept it fairly standard, only mod was a K&N 57i Kit, the sound off it when near the red line was tremendous(not going to say V tec zone as don't want daft pictures posted )

[tali1]

Terzo123 said:

tali1 said:

Got figures from old What Car? mag it was@ 350 each for 1.6-16v and VTEC
Will try to dig it out for exact figures
Far more intresting than CRX
There is a metallic grey H reg VTEC local to me.

The one i had was Metallic Grey on J plate, I really wish i had taken some pictures of it

I kept it fairly standard, only mod was a K&N 57i Kit, the sound off it when near the red line was tremendous(not going to say V tec zone as don't want daft pictures posted )

Dunno if you seen this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/sets...

[Terzo123]

Thanks for posting that.

7.6 seconds to 60 seems slow by todays standards, but back then not much could touch it

[tali1]

Terzo123 said:

Thanks for posting that.

7.6 seconds to 60 seems slow by todays standards, but back then not much could touch it

Nah - i'm afraid there was plenty - and with less power - R5GTT , Charade GTti, Golf 16v,Uno Turbo , Strada Abarth,Fiesta RS Turbo Astra 16v,Mazda 323 Turbo, Corolla GTI, Delta HF Turbo.
Sorry - just giving the facts!

[Stew2000]

Was the 100NX ever a hot hatch?

[Terzo123]

tali1 said:

Nah - i'm afraid there was plenty - and with less power - R5GTT (7.1 although the second generation could only muster 7.5), Charade GTti (7.8), Golf 16v (8.7),Uno Turbo(8.3), Strada Abarth (7.9), Fiesta RS Turbo (7.9) Astra 16v (7.6), Mazda 323 Turbo (7.8), Corolla GTI (8.3), Delta HF Turbo (8.5).
Sorry - just giving the facts!

Going by your list, only the R5Gtt could beat the Civic to 60, the Astra could match it.

It's splitting hairs and mainly subjective , but back then, then 0-60 time was all important for bragging rights down the local retail park.

At the time some of my friends owned R5Gtt's, Uno Turbos, Golf Gti's, RS Turbos. So i had plenty to directly compare the civic with.

I'll stand by what i said in my earlier post.

[Stew2000]

Those 0-60 times are so close it would depend on how fast the driver could change from 1st to 2nd.

[tali1]

Terzo123 said:

tali1 said:

Nah - i'm afraid there was plenty - and with less power - R5GTT (7.1 although the second generation could only muster 7.5), Charade GTti (7.8), Golf 16v (8.7),Uno Turbo(8.3), Strada Abarth (7.9), Fiesta RS Turbo (7.9) Astra 16v (7.6), Mazda 323 Turbo (7.8), Corolla GTI (8.3), Delta HF Turbo (8.5).
Sorry - just giving the facts!

Going by your list, only the R5Gtt could beat the Civic to 60, the Astra could match it.

It's splitting hairs and mainly subjective , but back then, then 0-60 time was all important for bragging rights down the local retail park.

At the time some of my friends owned R5Gtt's, Uno Turbos, Golf Gti's, RS Turbos. So i had plenty to directly compare the civic with.

I'll stand by what i said in my earlier post.

You haven't posted the quickest times- most of yours seem to be slowest times selected
R5GTT second generation (7.3) Charade GTti (7.7), Golf 16v (7.5),Uno Turbo(7.4), Strada Abarth (7.7), Fiesta RS Turbo (7.5) Astra 16v (6.9), Mazda 323 Turbo (7.1), Corolla GTI (7.7), Delta HF Turbo (7.5).
Add to that we have Lotus Sunbeam (6.6), Sunny Gti(6.8), MG maestro Turbo (6.6),Polo G40 (7.4),Rover 220gsi Turbo (6.2)
Also bear in mind the 130bhp 1.6-16v have been known to match VTEC times
Btw -this is not a anti -Civic post and none of this makes the Civic VT a bad car in any way

[Stew2000]

The Civic was just a fad for old skool asbos. then it was the saxo. then the focus. not sure what today is.

[Kitchski]

Terzo123 said:

tali1 said:

Nah - i'm afraid there was plenty - and with less power - R5GTT (7.1 although the second generation could only muster 7.5), Charade GTti (7.8), Golf 16v (8.7),Uno Turbo(8.3), Strada Abarth (7.9), Fiesta RS Turbo (7.9) Astra 16v (7.6), Mazda 323 Turbo (7.8), Corolla GTI (8.3), Delta HF Turbo (8.5).
Sorry - just giving the facts!

Going by your list, only the R5Gtt could beat the Civic to 60, the Astra could match it.

It's splitting hairs and mainly subjective , but back then, then 0-60 time was all important for bragging rights down the local retail park.

At the time some of my friends owned R5Gtt's, Uno Turbos, Golf Gti's, RS Turbos. So i had plenty to directly compare the civic with.

I'll stand by what i said in my earlier post.

• cough* BX 16v *cough*

[Terzo123]

tali1 said:

You haven't posted the quickest times- most of yours seem to be slowest times selected
R5GTT second generation (7.3) Charade GTti (7.7), Golf 16v (7.5),Uno Turbo(7.4), Strada Abarth (7.7), Fiesta RS Turbo (7.5) Astra 16v (6.9), Mazda 323 Turbo (7.1), Corolla GTI (7.7), Delta HF Turbo (7.5).
Add to that we have Lotus Sunbeam (6.6), Sunny Gti(6.8), MG maestro Turbo (6.6),Polo G40 (7.4),Rover 220gsi Turbo (6.2)
Also bear in mind the 130bhp 1.6-16v have been known to match VTEC times
Btw -this is not a anti -Civic post and none of this makes the Civic VT a bad car in any way

Many a similar discussion was had years ago with my friends about 0-60 times whilst hanging about cold and damp retail parks. With the figures i posted above I just picked the magazine test times i could find, although i know these are all subject to a number of variables (Driver, Air tempt etc.)

I'm no Civic fanboy, i had this particular car around 12 years ago, and thought it was a great little car, probably being a bit nostalgic, but thought it was ideal for this thread given the Forgotten Hatch title.

But i'm not having a standard Uno Turbo being able to hit 60 in 7.4 secs, maybe with the boost right up, and even then it would only manage it once before combusting.

[tali1]

Terzo123 said:

tali1 said:

You haven't posted the quickest times- most of yours seem to be slowest times selected
R5GTT second generation (7.3) Charade GTti (7.7), Golf 16v (7.5),Uno Turbo(7.4), Strada Abarth (7.7), Fiesta RS Turbo (7.5) Astra 16v (6.9), Mazda 323 Turbo (7.1), Corolla GTI (7.7), Delta HF Turbo (7.5).
Add to that we have Lotus Sunbeam (6.6), Sunny Gti(6.8), MG maestro Turbo (6.6),Polo G40 (7.4),Rover 220gsi Turbo (6.2)
Also bear in mind the 130bhp 1.6-16v have been known to match VTEC times
Btw -this is not a anti -Civic post and none of this makes the Civic VT a bad car in any way

Many a similar discussion was had years ago with my friends about 0-60 times whilst hanging about cold and damp retail parks. With the figures i posted above I just picked the magazine test times i could find, although i know these are all subject to a number of variables (Driver, Air tempt etc.)

I'm no Civic fanboy, i had this particular car around 12 years ago, and thought it was a great little car, probably being a bit nostalgic, but thought it was ideal for this thread given the Forgotten Hatch title.

But i'm not having a standard Uno Turbo being able to hit 60 in 7.4 secs, maybe with the boost right up, and even then it would only manage it once before combusting.

Good news -Performance car have Civic at 7.3.However Uno Turbo was 7.6 with same mag and 7.4 with Autoexpress.
Figures relate to 2nd gen model 1.4 turbo - which reguarly cracked under 8 secs (Fiat claimed 7.7)

[DELTAHPE]

M666 EVO said:

DELTAHPE said:

never sold in the UK so forgotten even when new. Great car though and at the time i believe the most powerful front drove hot hatch available in Europe. Still miss it a bit. they never sold many even in Europe probably because Fiat were concentrating on promoting alfa instead. Bought it new in Rotterdam and imported it back in 1999

Edited by DELTAHPE on Friday 14th October 16:44

Looks like I have the same exhaust (Supersprint) and wheels but if I am honest, I don't like the body kit. Mine is identical to the one in Auto Italia a few months back (same as Simon's). Very nice, standard and unassuming.

Bodykit was standard from about 1998 as were the wheels but not the exhaust, myself I think the early cars don't look aggressive enough

[markwalton]

like the 16v. I have a soft spot for them. Bought mine in 92 when 6 months old.Recently returned to the road after 12 year break. Such an engaging car once learnt.How could I have left it so long.

[Rammy76]

Terzo123 said:

Many a similar discussion was had years ago with my friends about 0-60 times whilst hanging about cold and damp retail parks. With the figures i posted above I just picked the magazine test times i could find, although i know these are all subject to a number of variables (Driver, Air tempt etc.)

I'm no Civic fanboy, i had this particular car around 12 years ago, and thought it was a great little car, probably being a bit nostalgic, but thought it was ideal for this thread given the Forgotten Hatch title.

But i'm not having a standard Uno Turbo being able to hit 60 in 7.4 secs, maybe with the boost right up, and even then it would only manage it once before combusting.

Rubbish, my mk1 Uno Turbo used to keep up with most of the cars mentioned above, its biggest problem used to be getting traction off the line. The engines were very strong too, it was the gearbox that was made from chocolate!