Why do idiots throw cigarettes out car windows?
Discussion
otolith said:
It's worth noting that the law under which a number of people have been prosecuted for the quality of their driving while they were eating, drinking or applying make-up already applies equally to the quality of their driving while smoking.
That people appear to have been prosecuted for driving badly while performing the other three acts but not for driving badly while smoking would suggest to me that if we need to specifically outlaw particular activities, those other activities with a proven record of being associated with poor driving should be outlawed first.
Or, we could retain the status quo of prosecuting people if what they are doing in the car happens to be making them drive badly, and leaving them the hell alone if it doesn't.
It's all irrelevant, mind, the call for the ban is from the BMA and it has nothing to do with road safety. The idea is that if you can ban people from smoking pretty much everywhere, people will quit. I'm surprised there are people who don't see through this.
Personally, I would rather share the roads with people who have a cigarette in their hand than people who are irritable and bad tempered because they're gagging for one.
+1That people appear to have been prosecuted for driving badly while performing the other three acts but not for driving badly while smoking would suggest to me that if we need to specifically outlaw particular activities, those other activities with a proven record of being associated with poor driving should be outlawed first.
Or, we could retain the status quo of prosecuting people if what they are doing in the car happens to be making them drive badly, and leaving them the hell alone if it doesn't.
It's all irrelevant, mind, the call for the ban is from the BMA and it has nothing to do with road safety. The idea is that if you can ban people from smoking pretty much everywhere, people will quit. I'm surprised there are people who don't see through this.
Personally, I would rather share the roads with people who have a cigarette in their hand than people who are irritable and bad tempered because they're gagging for one.
DH
The smoking thing though goes so much further than cars. Smokers generally (and apologies to those who don't) think nothing of throwing their fag but on the floor stamping it out (sometimes) and leaving it there. I followed a smoker through town the other day who when questioned by a security guard outside a shop for throwing his fag on the floor, genuinely thought he hadn't done anything wrong!
I stopped smoking in the car/works vehicle years ago for a couple of reasons.
1. I absolutely hate the smell of cars that have been smoked in, especially if it has been a window up and ashtray job. Nothing worse than getting in someones car, ashtray full, nicotine stained headlining and the stench of stale fags.
2. I was a 'window down' in car smoker but having flicked one out of the window for it to blow straight back in and set fire to my coat which was on the back seat sort of told me something. That was in my 1st car and I haven't done it since.
3. I have a child now, We don't even smoke in the house, nevermind in the car.
4. In a previous job and before smoking at work was against the law, I used to run Merc Sprinters fitted with bulkheads between the cab and rear. I got a loaner out one day, no bulkhead and was staggered at how the load area of the van smelt of ciggies after a 2 hour drive.
5. Smoking in a work vehicle is now a sackable offence, not worth evening trying to have a crafty fag on the road.
I really don't know why people do it now, although I smoke I really cringe at seeing car loads of women with a fag on, kids on the back seat and all sorts of rubbish, fag ends etc being casually thrown out the window.
1. I absolutely hate the smell of cars that have been smoked in, especially if it has been a window up and ashtray job. Nothing worse than getting in someones car, ashtray full, nicotine stained headlining and the stench of stale fags.
2. I was a 'window down' in car smoker but having flicked one out of the window for it to blow straight back in and set fire to my coat which was on the back seat sort of told me something. That was in my 1st car and I haven't done it since.
3. I have a child now, We don't even smoke in the house, nevermind in the car.
4. In a previous job and before smoking at work was against the law, I used to run Merc Sprinters fitted with bulkheads between the cab and rear. I got a loaner out one day, no bulkhead and was staggered at how the load area of the van smelt of ciggies after a 2 hour drive.
5. Smoking in a work vehicle is now a sackable offence, not worth evening trying to have a crafty fag on the road.
I really don't know why people do it now, although I smoke I really cringe at seeing car loads of women with a fag on, kids on the back seat and all sorts of rubbish, fag ends etc being casually thrown out the window.
Road2Ruin said:
The smoking thing though goes so much further than cars. Smokers generally (and apologies to those who don't) think nothing of throwing their fag but on the floor stamping it out (sometimes) and leaving it there. I followed a smoker through town the other day who when questioned by a security guard outside a shop for throwing his fag on the floor, genuinely thought he hadn't done anything wrong!
Well if there is no ashtray around, where else is it supposed to go? In the bin so we can set the building on fire instead? In fairness I will always try and find an ashtray, or failing that a drain will do, but if there's nowhere suitable it'll go on the floor. There are far bigger litter problems than dropping a cig butt. I abhor people who drop cans/crisp packets, anything noticeable from afar basically. But cig butts? Meh. More important stuff to worry about in the world personally.
Plus I work just outside Dudley, so I feel dropping cig butts actually improves the place
bodhi said:
Road2Ruin said:
The smoking thing though goes so much further than cars. Smokers generally (and apologies to those who don't) think nothing of throwing their fag but on the floor stamping it out (sometimes) and leaving it there. I followed a smoker through town the other day who when questioned by a security guard outside a shop for throwing his fag on the floor, genuinely thought he hadn't done anything wrong!
Well if there is no ashtray around, where else is it supposed to go? In the bin so we can set the building on fire instead? In fairness I will always try and find an ashtray, or failing that a drain will do, but if there's nowhere suitable it'll go on the floor. There are far bigger litter problems than dropping a cig butt. I abhor people who drop cans/crisp packets, anything noticeable from afar basically. But cig butts? Meh. More important stuff to worry about in the world personally.
What about a 'Richard' on your bonnet? It keeps car washers in a job...??
Ramses said:
bodhi said:
Road2Ruin said:
The smoking thing though goes so much further than cars. Smokers generally (and apologies to those who don't) think nothing of throwing their fag but on the floor stamping it out (sometimes) and leaving it there. I followed a smoker through town the other day who when questioned by a security guard outside a shop for throwing his fag on the floor, genuinely thought he hadn't done anything wrong!
Well if there is no ashtray around, where else is it supposed to go? In the bin so we can set the building on fire instead? In fairness I will always try and find an ashtray, or failing that a drain will do, but if there's nowhere suitable it'll go on the floor. There are far bigger litter problems than dropping a cig butt. I abhor people who drop cans/crisp packets, anything noticeable from afar basically. But cig butts? Meh. More important stuff to worry about in the world personally.
What about a 'Richard' on your bonnet? It keeps car washers in a job...??
bodhi said:
Well if there is no ashtray around, where else is it supposed to go? In the bin so we can set the building on fire instead? In fairness I will always try and find an ashtray, or failing that a drain will do, but if there's nowhere suitable it'll go on the floor.
There are far bigger litter problems than dropping a cig butt. I abhor people who drop cans/crisp packets, anything noticeable from afar basically. But cig butts? Meh. More important stuff to worry about in the world personally.
Plus I work just outside Dudley, so I feel dropping cig butts actually improves the place
Whilst your comment about Dudley certainly vilifies (I have actually no idea what this word means just sounds good) you, I do feel that blaiming the lack of things to do with your cigarette but is a poor excuse. Dog owners (some of them anyway) manage to pick up after their dogs and I would say that is a much less exciting proposition. There are far bigger litter problems than dropping a cig butt. I abhor people who drop cans/crisp packets, anything noticeable from afar basically. But cig butts? Meh. More important stuff to worry about in the world personally.
Plus I work just outside Dudley, so I feel dropping cig butts actually improves the place
Mr2Mike said:
So it's fine to drop fast food wrapper and crisp packets on the floor if there is no bin in the vicinity?
Feel free to read my entire post again, you might get an answer, however I suspect not the one you are looking for.I dunno maybe popping out for a cig would help you concentrate?
Once bought an MG maestro T from the scrapyard for £60, painter had been using it and boot was full of sheets and stuff with parcel shelf missing. Driving down the road and car fills with smoke, I pull over and it goes up in flames. Mate was smokin in the back and put butt out the window badly and ended up in boot. Honestly hadda laugh as we were betting how long it would be before it was dead when it was filling with smoke.
bodhi said:
Feel free to read my entire post again, you might get an answer, however I suspect not the one you are looking for.
I dunno maybe popping out for a cig would help you concentrate?
I read your post and noted that believe it's ok to litter when a bin isn't available, but then contradict yourself. I wondering how to reconcile these contradictory statements?I dunno maybe popping out for a cig would help you concentrate?
Ramses said:
Maximum Bobs said:
Ramses said:
Maximum Bobs said:
Mr2Mike said:
Maximum Bobs said:
Why should I expand? No one else as provided any evidence to back up their ridiculous claims so why should I.
So you admit it's a ridiculous claim?Ramses said:
A hand off the wheel is the same regardless of whether you are holding a burning stick, an apple, your phone or your cock.
Or the gear stick, or fiddling with the stereo, or the windows, or any thing else we take our hands off the wheel for. Ramses said:
Concentrating on lighting said burning stick bring a different dimension.
Why would you light an already burning stick? But no it doesn't. R300will said:
Eating an apple while driving is not as dangerous as smoking. You can put an apple down safe in the knowldege it isn't going to set fire to anything.
But why would I want to put a cigarette down when I still have the use of my hand while holding it?Plus If I do decide to put it down that's what ashtrays are also for.
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