RE: Nissan GT-R 2012: More For Less (Fuel)
Discussion
Froomee said:
Right may aswell get this out of the way:
1. It's too heavy and eats consumables.
2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps.
3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics.
4. It looks like a car from GT5.
5. It's not a <insert brand here>.
6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable.
Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them.
I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same
Its heavy. ok, name me something that can shift to 60mph in 2.9 seconds for that price. how do u know it can only do 1 or 2 hot laps? have u driven one? 1. It's too heavy and eats consumables.
2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps.
3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics.
4. It looks like a car from GT5.
5. It's not a <insert brand here>.
6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable.
Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them.
I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same
it lacks feel? have you driven one?
how do you know it's unreliable, have you had one for a couple of months and witnessed it die in front of you?
why are you comparing it to another brand? THIS IS GODZILLA!(said like a Spartan)
People love hating...
We had a day on the skidpad at Rockingham a few months back, and one of the things they had us do was drive over a "kick plate" that kicks the back wheels sideways as you drive over it onto the skid pan. It is designed to simulate being hit in the rear by on coming traffic from the left. You are then supposed to regain control and drive through a series of vertical water jets. We had all sorts of fun with my shelby as it just spun through the jets every time.
My friend in his GTR had to give up because it just drove over the kick plate as if it wasnt there. That is a jaw dropping machine
My friend in his GTR had to give up because it just drove over the kick plate as if it wasnt there. That is a jaw dropping machine
Froomee said:
Right may aswell get this out of the way:
1. It's too heavy and eats consumables.
2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps.
3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics.
4. It looks like a car from GT5.
5. It's not a <insert brand here>.
6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable.
Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them.
I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same
I would be very reluctant on this forum to judge car with having owned or at least driven it 1. It's too heavy and eats consumables.
2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps.
3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics.
4. It looks like a car from GT5.
5. It's not a <insert brand here>.
6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable.
Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them.
I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same
foxhounduk said:
Its heavy. ok, name me something that can shift to 60mph in 2.9 seconds for that price. how do u know it can only do 1 or 2 hot laps? have u driven one?
it lacks feel? have you driven one?
how do you know it's unreliable, have you had one for a couple of months and witnessed it die in front of you?
why are you comparing it to another brand? THIS IS GODZILLA!(said like a Spartan)
People love hating...
I may be wrong, but I believe Froomee was being pre-emptively sarcastic as he (like most of us) have been bored rigid by the same old cliched responses any time there is a thread about the GT-R.it lacks feel? have you driven one?
how do you know it's unreliable, have you had one for a couple of months and witnessed it die in front of you?
why are you comparing it to another brand? THIS IS GODZILLA!(said like a Spartan)
People love hating...
Every single person who has driven mine has either ended up buying one or wished they could!
Godzilla said:
foxhounduk said:
Its heavy. ok, name me something that can shift to 60mph in 2.9 seconds for that price. how do u know it can only do 1 or 2 hot laps? have u driven one?
it lacks feel? have you driven one?
how do you know it's unreliable, have you had one for a couple of months and witnessed it die in front of you?
why are you comparing it to another brand? THIS IS GODZILLA!(said like a Spartan)
People love hating...
I may be wrong, but I believe Froomee was being pre-emptively sarcastic as he (like most of us) have been bored rigid by the same old cliched responses any time there is a thread about the GT-R.it lacks feel? have you driven one?
how do you know it's unreliable, have you had one for a couple of months and witnessed it die in front of you?
why are you comparing it to another brand? THIS IS GODZILLA!(said like a Spartan)
People love hating...
Every single person who has driven mine has either ended up buying one or wished they could!
W8PMC said:
Froomee said:
Right may aswell get this out of the way:
1. It's too heavy and eats consumables.
2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps.
3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics.
4. It looks like a car from GT5.
5. It's not a <insert brand here>.
6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable.
Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them.
I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same
May as well get accurate responses out of the way.1. It's too heavy and eats consumables.
2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps.
3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics.
4. It looks like a car from GT5.
5. It's not a <insert brand here>.
6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable.
Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them.
I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same
1. It's heavy but not too heavy & it does not eat consumables.
2. Rubbish, i've managed many back to back hot laps of Cadwell, Oulton & Silverstone F1.
3. Rubsish, suggest you drive one & don't believe the BS.
4. Perhaps but purely a matter of opinion.
5. No idea what the blank is but it doesn't try to be anything else & doesn't need to.
6. Rubbish unless you're comparing it to Ford or Vauxhall running costs. As for unreliable, rubbish again.
ps. my MY12 is on order to replace my modified MY10 next Spring
thewheelman said:
I'd say he's right about running costs & reliability. As for the rest of it, that's all a matter of opinion.
Well i'm not aware of any reliability issues with UK cars since launch over here. A few niggles here & there but certainly no more than you'd get with an Audi or BMW of which i've owned a few of their top of the range models & broken down. As yet no such issues with my GT-R.Running costs are subjective really as yes they drink fuel when pushed, yes they will use rubber when pushed & yes the stock brake pads/discs are not up to heavy track work, however my car after 12000 miles & 3 hard driving track days is still on it's original tyres & had i not tracked the car then i'd still very likely be on the original discs/pads.
The only slight negative is servicing which at NHPC's isn't cheap & is needed on MY10 cars or older every 6k miles/6mths, however on MY11 or newer it's now 9k miles & if opting for high quality indi's then the costs half. That said even at NHPC prices, you're still not close to Porsche money & miles off Lambo & Fez money so i'd say it's great value.
Risotto said:
Froomee said:
Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them.
I agree, but when you look at other manufacturers who follow this principle, it's easy to see why more don't do it. Take the 911 for example - look at how many people slate each new iteration for being unimaginative and lazy! MY2012GTR looks like an appealing prospect, visual tweaks keep the same basic shape up to date and for me the will continue to do so for some time. whether its still largely the same shape in several decades like the 911 remains to be seen, however.
W8PMC said:
thewheelman said:
I'd say he's right about running costs & reliability. As for the rest of it, that's all a matter of opinion.
Well i'm not aware of any reliability issues with UK cars since launch over here. A few niggles here & there but certainly no more than you'd get with an Audi or BMW of which i've owned a few of their top of the range models & broken down. As yet no such issues with my GT-R.Running costs are subjective really as yes they drink fuel when pushed, yes they will use rubber when pushed & yes the stock brake pads/discs are not up to heavy track work, however my car after 12000 miles & 3 hard driving track days is still on it's original tyres & had i not tracked the car then i'd still very likely be on the original discs/pads.
The only slight negative is servicing which at NHPC's isn't cheap & is needed on MY10 cars or older every 6k miles/6mths, however on MY11 or newer it's now 9k miles & if opting for high quality indi's then the costs half. That said even at NHPC prices, you're still not close to Porsche money & miles off Lambo & Fez money so i'd say it's great value.
Don't get me wrong, i love the GTR, but there are some horror stories out there when it comes to ownership costs. I've known some mates go from a GTR to R8s & Gallardos, & they state they're costing less to run.Edited by thewheelman on Monday 7th November 18:54
W8PMC said:
Froomee said:
Right may aswell get this out of the way:
1. It's too heavy and eats consumables.
2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps.
3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics.
4. It looks like a car from GT5.
5. It's not a <insert brand here>.
6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable.
Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them.
I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same
May as well get accurate responses out of the way.1. It's too heavy and eats consumables.
2. It can only do 1 or 2 hot laps.
3. It lacks feel and has too many electronics.
4. It looks like a car from GT5.
5. It's not a <insert brand here>.
6. Servicing costs the same as a ££££££ car and it is unreliable.
Some minor improvements all round, I have never understood why more manufacturers don't go down this route if the initial model is successful. Some cars are a great design to start with so why not keep the same principles but improve them.
I don't like the styling too much but still a nice car all the same
1. It's heavy but not too heavy & it does not eat consumables.
2. Rubbish, i've managed many back to back hot laps of Cadwell, Oulton & Silverstone F1.
3. Rubsish, suggest you drive one & don't believe the BS.
4. Perhaps but purely a matter of opinion.
5. No idea what the blank is but it doesn't try to be anything else & doesn't need to.
6. Rubbish unless you're comparing it to Ford or Vauxhall running costs. As for unreliable, rubbish again.
ps. my MY12 is on order to replace my modified MY10 next Spring
If you read the bottom of my post you will see that I said its a nice car and the only thing I don't like is the look which is subjective.
If you can afford a £75k car I doubt you will be worried about the petrol and consumables and lets face it the costs are relative to the performance.
thewheelman said:
The costs of the brake pads & discs are Don't get me wrong, i love the GTR, but there are some horror stories out there when it comes to ownership costs.
What horror stories? The OEM tyres are a very scary price if any owner is mad enough to buy from the NHPC. A comparable & approved tyre can be bought from any tyre supplier for half the price of the OEM from a dealer (no more than i've paid for a set on previous cars) Don't get me wrong, i love the GTR, but there are some horror stories out there when it comes to ownership costs.As for brakes, again if you replace with OEM from an NHPC then prepare to pay top $. You can buy better aftermarket pads/discs for half the money which is what most owners do. Would agree the dealers are a tad OTT with their consumable pricing, however it's no bigger cost than you'd pay at a Porsche dealer.
Froomee said:
Just to clarify to all of those who commented I was being sarcastic hence the roll eyes.......in an attempt to stop this thread from descending into another farce
If you read the bottom of my post you will see that I said its a nice car and the only thing I don't like is the look which is subjective.
If you can afford a £75k car I doubt you will be worried about the petrol and consumables and lets face it the costs are relative to the performance.
I retract my response then. Has been a long day & i read your post in the opposite wayIf you read the bottom of my post you will see that I said its a nice car and the only thing I don't like is the look which is subjective.
If you can afford a £75k car I doubt you will be worried about the petrol and consumables and lets face it the costs are relative to the performance.
The sarcasm went over my head;) Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff