Are modern headlights too bright?

Are modern headlights too bright?

Poll: Are modern headlights too bright?

Total Members Polled: 712

Yes: 66%
No: 34%
Author
Discussion

carlove

6,731 posts

133 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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I just don't get blinded as a rule, maybe it's my eyes, maybe it's because I have an E Class with LED adaptive high beams so I blind everyone else instead(however have had the car over a year and have been flashed once on dipped beam) .
Saying that, I do occasionally get got by Nissan Qashqais, they're really bright and go funny on poor road surfaces, also 55 plate Fiesta STs with those horrible blue headlights are rather blinding.

The big German saloons don't cause an issue at all for me.

Kolbenkopp

2,342 posts

117 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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It's really the Merc SUVs that stand our for me. Audi and BMW joint second. Especially when pottering around in the Smart Roadster. E-Class is fine, we have lot's of them around here and never noticed anything.

SWoll

11,356 posts

224 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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I've just added these to my new company car order. Be interesting to see how well they work as the car gets used a lot in the evenings and we live out in the sticks so surrounded by poorly lit country lanes.

Audi LED Matrix Headlighst

fangio

988 posts

200 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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kambites said:
ETA: Of course with the appearance of LED headlights it's going to get even worse, because LEDs are massively more efficient than HIDs so they'll be an order of magnitude brighter again, if they actually put them at the legal limit.

Edited by kambites on Monday 14th November 09:09
Yup, just look at drls; brighter than the f***ing sun!

Alucidnation

16,102 posts

136 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Cyder said:
Interesting you say that. The regulation has just changed effective from October to allow all lamps <2000lm to have manual levelers instead of the auto ones as there are many complaints (I think mainly in the german market about drivers of LED lamps being flashed and being unable to adjust the beam downwards).
It must have been around longer than that, as mine has the 25W HID headlamps with no washers and no self levelling and it was new in June this year, with this model available since November 2015 with the option available.

I will say however, that they are not as good as full fat 35W.

David87

5,869 posts

178 months

Saturday 5th November 2016
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carlove said:
55 plate Fiesta STs with those horrible blue headlights are rather blinding.
Likely a kit bought on eBay - Fiestas have never been offered with HID or LED lamps from the factory.

Cyder

6,818 posts

186 months

Saturday 5th November 2016
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Alucidnation said:
Cyder said:
Interesting you say that. The regulation has just changed effective from October to allow all lamps <2000lm to have manual levelers instead of the auto ones as there are many complaints (I think mainly in the german market about drivers of LED lamps being flashed and being unable to adjust the beam downwards).
It must have been around longer than that, as mine has the 25W HID headlamps with no washers and no self levelling and it was new in June this year, with this model available since November 2015 with the option available.

I will say however, that they are not as good as full fat 35W.
If the HID's are under 2000lm (I've got no idea what 25w HID's put out) then there's no need for levellers or washers even before this ref change.
The old wording of the reg was that auto leveller is necessary if the light output is greater than 2000lm and/or LED, the 2000lm bit is still there but they've deleted the need for it on LED's which are almost all under the light output limit.

It was definitely October, I get the ECE ref updates and enforcement dates sent to me for work.

Edited by Cyder on Saturday 5th November 19:38

Alucidnation

16,102 posts

136 months

Saturday 5th November 2016
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Ah fair enough.

Just looked up the lumens and they are 1900 on a D5S lamp, which are nearly £100 each with only one manufacturer which is Philips!


chrispj

261 posts

109 months

Saturday 5th November 2016
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SWoll said:
I've just added these to my new company car order. Be interesting to see how well they work as the car gets used a lot in the evenings and we live out in the sticks so surrounded by poorly lit country lanes.

Audi LED Matrix Headlighst
You'll love them I think. From my experience seeing the various Audi/VW/Seat cars with LED lights, most folk coming the other way or that you're following (especially low-slung Lotuses) will hate you...

SlimJim16v

3,487 posts

109 months

Saturday 5th November 2016
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So it looks like we'll be seeing lots of legal 25W HID conversion kits soon.

untakenname

3,660 posts

158 months

Saturday 5th November 2016
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The days of the barry boy 8000k blue HIDs in fluted lenses seem to be over now thankfully but many OEM lights these days just seem needlessly bright on dipped beam, especially when you have a low car.
I had to retrofit a autodim mirror to my car as I was being dazzled by drivers behind.

Cold

11,080 posts

56 months

Saturday 5th November 2016
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Maybe some would like it if we took a leaf out of China's book?

thiscocks

2,587 posts

161 months

Saturday 5th November 2016
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Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
You know how when you were 4 you were told not to look directly at the sun?
Well the same applies to car headlights. You need to learn to look past the on coming headlights.
Once you have taught yourself to do this, rather than stare directly into the light you won't have any more problems.
Except when you were told o not look at the sun you weren't trying to pick out a road you were driving down, looking right past it. Why would anyone directly look at an hid headlight? Its the fact they are so bright it completely destroys your vision of the road ahead due to the glare and contrast. Also as mentioned when behind you its like having a couple of suns shining in each mirror.

Wills2

17,976 posts

141 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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I said no in the poll, but then I remembered about the people chavs that fit those crappy after market HID/night breakers, they are mostly awful and generally badly aligned.

And often matched up with having front fogs on, cos it look well cool, init.

But in general no, apart from the afore mentioned fkwits.

ABC 123

109 posts

56 months

Saturday 12th November 2016
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Clem2k3 said:
ABC 123 said:
Of course they are. Why are manufacturers making 'bending' lights which reflect around cars and turn off strategically to stop dazzling drivers?

It may feel like backpedalling, but it's trying to get the best of both worlds.
The problem is twofold:

1. The dip beams are easily bright enough to dazzle nowadays
2. Technical systems are somewhat prone to failure ...
Exactly. I have been in some cars and the 'adaptive' lights certainly don't live up to the hype. All too slow or just don't bother moving.

The only carmakers I have seen making it somewhat work are BMW and Volvo, but they still certainly aren't 100 percent.

Conscript

1,318 posts

87 months

Saturday 12th November 2016
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I think there is some merit to what the OP is saying. I've taken to acknowledging people giving way to me by turning off my headlights, then flicking them back on again, rather than flashing with a hi-beam because they are so bright.

fangio said:
Yup, just look at drls; brighter than the f***ing sun!
That's kind of the point tongue out

FiF

39,182 posts

217 months

Saturday 12th November 2016
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Conscript said:
I think there is some merit to what the OP is saying. I've taken to acknowledging people giving way to me by turning off my headlights, then flicking them back on again, rather than flashing with a hi-beam because they are so bright.
Yep, that's exactly what I do. One of my ex Swedish colleagues summed up the thank you flash this, "It's like you holding the door open for someone, and as they sail through they spit in your face."

fangio

988 posts

200 months

Saturday 12th November 2016
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Conscript said:
That's kind of the point tongue out
Except only f***ing idiots look at the sun; on the road there's no choice. furious

Randy Winkman

9,742 posts

155 months

Saturday 12th November 2016
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People who park on the "wrong side" of the road when it's dark with their headlights on are what get me. mad

e21Mark

14,772 posts

139 months

Saturday 12th November 2016
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I've definitely been blinded by the dip beam some modern Audi in recent months and only realised they were on dip once they respond to my flashing them. (my main beam not my genitalia) Certainly appears to be a fair few people about with their uprated, brighter than the sun, type upgrades which they combine with DRL and front fog lights for the full ''look at me and how much white light I can emit'' effect.

Headlights in my old 3 series are still doing the job after a quarter century, although the ones on the 2002 are a bit ''candles in jamjar''. Hardly what I would call dangerous though and still able to find my way in the dark.