RE: Driven: Range Rover Evoque SD4 2.2 Dynamic Coupe
Discussion
Quite simply there is a huge market for smallish luxury cars at the moment..
The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
V88Dicky. So imagine someone who wants a family car that is practical to use. The Evoque in 5 door form is exactly that, plenty of space, big boot. Imagine then they they would like the elevated driving driving position of an off roader, but they don't want to dive around in a vast tank. The Evoque does that. Now this person is looking at a Freelander, but actually they also want a quality car, a luxury car with all the gadgets and trimmings of a top class luxo barge, a fabulous place to sit in comfort for the daily commute. The Evoque does that.
Imagine then that with the winters we've been having (or they live in a cold climate) they would like the security of 4wd. The Evoque does that. They also want a large family car but it needs to be fuel efficient to pay the bills unlike an SUV. The Evoque does that. Imagine then that they would like to have a car that can cut it off road so it isn't pretending to be something it's not, the Evoque does that (read a single review, they all agree it works well off road). They also want something with an eye catching design, the Evo.... you get my point.
So who is this person that wants a highly customisable,practical, striking, spacious, luxurious, fuel efficient, off road capable, 4 wheel drive, high quality car with enormous equipment levels available for all the gadgets imaginable? Pretty much every mother and father in the country had they the money to buy it. I struggle to think of another car that ticks so many boxes.
It has been said by many journos over the years that as an all road car, the Range Rover is about as good as it gets. Except for two things, it drinks fuel and it is the size of an off shore drilling platform. The Evoque does all that a Rangey will do for you unless you really intend to drive up Ben Nevis and it does so with 40 plus MPG.
If they sell a few cars to "marketing lead bla bla" as well then so much the better.
Imagine then that with the winters we've been having (or they live in a cold climate) they would like the security of 4wd. The Evoque does that. They also want a large family car but it needs to be fuel efficient to pay the bills unlike an SUV. The Evoque does that. Imagine then that they would like to have a car that can cut it off road so it isn't pretending to be something it's not, the Evoque does that (read a single review, they all agree it works well off road). They also want something with an eye catching design, the Evo.... you get my point.
So who is this person that wants a highly customisable,practical, striking, spacious, luxurious, fuel efficient, off road capable, 4 wheel drive, high quality car with enormous equipment levels available for all the gadgets imaginable? Pretty much every mother and father in the country had they the money to buy it. I struggle to think of another car that ticks so many boxes.
It has been said by many journos over the years that as an all road car, the Range Rover is about as good as it gets. Except for two things, it drinks fuel and it is the size of an off shore drilling platform. The Evoque does all that a Rangey will do for you unless you really intend to drive up Ben Nevis and it does so with 40 plus MPG.
If they sell a few cars to "marketing lead bla bla" as well then so much the better.
Disagree about visibility being "appalling". It's different with the shallow rear window but you get used to it very quickly. It's way better than my Camaro! I also disagree with the tester, despite the command driving position which affords excellent visibility the car feels and handles much more like a car than an SUV. I've driven 8 of them now (all petrol, none of that diesel stuff here) and all variants including Dynamic with MagneRide and the car handles beautifully and has plenty of go. You need to buy a supercharged sport or RR to have a faster accellerating LR. The car is jammed with technology that works well and is utterly capable off road as well as on. Can't comment on FWD as we don't offer it in the US and I hope that we continue not to.
The car is brilliant, a great BRITISH product that is going to be hugely important for JLR. Prices here start at $45k, a fully jammed out Prestige will be around $58k. Demand is way exceeding supply and people are offering premiums.
The car is brilliant, a great BRITISH product that is going to be hugely important for JLR. Prices here start at $45k, a fully jammed out Prestige will be around $58k. Demand is way exceeding supply and people are offering premiums.
cathalm said:
V88Dicky. So imagine someone who wants a family car that is practical to use. The Evoque in 5 door form is exactly that, plenty of space, big boot. Imagine then they they would like the elevated driving driving position of an off roader, but they don't want to dive around in a vast tank. The Evoque does that. Now this person is looking at a Freelander, but actually they also want a quality car, a luxury car with all the gadgets and trimmings of a top class luxo barge, a fabulous place to sit in comfort for the daily commute. The Evoque does that.
Imagine then that with the winters we've been having (or they live in a cold climate) they would like the security of 4wd. The Evoque does that. They also want a large family car but it needs to be fuel efficient to pay the bills unlike an SUV. The Evoque does that. Imagine then that they would like to have a car that can cut it off road so it isn't pretending to be something it's not, the Evoque does that (read a single review, they all agree it works well off road). They also want something with an eye catching design, the Evo.... you get my point.
So who is this person that wants a highly customisable,practical, striking, spacious, luxurious, fuel efficient, off road capable, 4 wheel drive, high quality car with enormous equipment levels available for all the gadgets imaginable? Pretty much every mother and father in the country had they the money to buy it. I struggle to think of another car that ticks so many boxes.
It has been said by many journos over the years that as an all road car, the Range Rover is about as good as it gets. Except for two things, it drinks fuel and it is the size of an off shore drilling platform. The Evoque does all that a Rangey will do for you unless you really intend to drive up Ben Nevis and it does so with 40 plus MPG.
If they sell a few cars to "marketing lead bla bla" as well then so much the better.
Nah...you want a smokey old TD6 "proper" Range Rover or everyone will make fun of you and you won't have a REAL one and...Imagine then that with the winters we've been having (or they live in a cold climate) they would like the security of 4wd. The Evoque does that. They also want a large family car but it needs to be fuel efficient to pay the bills unlike an SUV. The Evoque does that. Imagine then that they would like to have a car that can cut it off road so it isn't pretending to be something it's not, the Evoque does that (read a single review, they all agree it works well off road). They also want something with an eye catching design, the Evo.... you get my point.
So who is this person that wants a highly customisable,practical, striking, spacious, luxurious, fuel efficient, off road capable, 4 wheel drive, high quality car with enormous equipment levels available for all the gadgets imaginable? Pretty much every mother and father in the country had they the money to buy it. I struggle to think of another car that ticks so many boxes.
It has been said by many journos over the years that as an all road car, the Range Rover is about as good as it gets. Except for two things, it drinks fuel and it is the size of an off shore drilling platform. The Evoque does all that a Rangey will do for you unless you really intend to drive up Ben Nevis and it does so with 40 plus MPG.
If they sell a few cars to "marketing lead bla bla" as well then so much the better.
ferdi p said:
Quite simply there is a huge market for smallish luxury cars at the moment..
The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
Simple - a real Range Rover is the most upmarket and classiest luxury four wheel drive you can buy (in standard, non-blinged trim, anyway...) The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
These are neither and hence shouldn't use the name. All in my utterly subjective opinion, obviously...
I am awaiting mine however despite putting a deposit dow six months ago I still have no idea when i might get a car, Like the poster on this topic i am sorely tempted to cancel and get a top of the range yeti.
The evoque i have ordered is i think reasonable value at just under 30k, but whether a top spec one at 47-48k is good value ? i have my doubts.
The evoque i have ordered is i think reasonable value at just under 30k, but whether a top spec one at 47-48k is good value ? i have my doubts.
Cassius81 said:
ferdi p said:
Quite simply there is a huge market for smallish luxury cars at the moment..
The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
Simple - a real Range Rover is the most upmarket and classiest luxury four wheel drive you can buy (in standard, non-blinged trim, anyway...) The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
These are neither and hence shouldn't use the name. All in my utterly subjective opinion, obviously...
You could by either model in white with ridiculous wheels.
Or you could spec both quite elegantly (dark green, no tints, small wheels for example).
The new 2011 range rover has all the chintz as standard the Evoque has.
Cassius81 said:
ferdi p said:
Quite simply there is a huge market for smallish luxury cars at the moment..
The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
Simple - a real Range Rover is the most upmarket and classiest luxury four wheel drive you can buy (in standard, non-blinged trim, anyway...) The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
These are neither and hence shouldn't use the name. All in my utterly subjective opinion, obviously...
insanojackson said:
I am awaiting mine however despite putting a deposit dow six months ago I still have no idea when i might get a car, Like the poster on this topic i am sorely tempted to cancel and get a top ofi the range yeti.
The evoque i have ordered is i think reasonable value at just under 30k, but whether a top spec one at 47-48k is good value ? i have my doubts.
I guess it depends whether that extra £17k buys you tat that's essential for resale...The evoque i have ordered is i think reasonable value at just under 30k, but whether a top spec one at 47-48k is good value ? i have my doubts.
Is the Yeti the same size? As I was surprised how small they are.
DeadMeat_UK said:
Cassius81 said:
ferdi p said:
Quite simply there is a huge market for smallish luxury cars at the moment..
The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
Simple - a real Range Rover is the most upmarket and classiest luxury four wheel drive you can buy (in standard, non-blinged trim, anyway...) The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
These are neither and hence shouldn't use the name. All in my utterly subjective opinion, obviously...
Cassius81 said:
ferdi p said:
Quite simply there is a huge market for smallish luxury cars at the moment..
The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
Simple - a real Range Rover is the most upmarket and classiest luxury four wheel drive you can buy (in standard, non-blinged trim, anyway...) The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
These are neither and hence shouldn't use the name. All in my utterly subjective opinion, obviously...
The Range Rover evolved in to what it is now, it certainly didn't start out as a Luxury barge.. (Gotta admit, they are lovely tho)
V88Dicky said:
monthefish said:
V88Dicky said:
It's 2WD??!!
I honestly thought these things were 4WD.
'Land Rover' doesn't really work if it's only 2WD.
A small Jaguar hatchback would have been more appropriate.
Where was it you took your test drive of it?I honestly thought these things were 4WD.
'Land Rover' doesn't really work if it's only 2WD.
A small Jaguar hatchback would have been more appropriate.
This is a motoring forum, for motoring enthusiasts.
Comments like "it's not a real Land Rover if it's not 4WD" are what you expect from everyone other than motoring entusiasts.
If you had driven one off road and had reached the conclusion that it's perfromance was, in any way, lacking as a result of it being 2WD, then of course your view is most welcome, and it is always interesting to read about real insights.
jdw1234 said:
Cassius81 said:
ferdi p said:
Quite simply there is a huge market for smallish luxury cars at the moment..
The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
Simple - a real Range Rover is the most upmarket and classiest luxury four wheel drive you can buy (in standard, non-blinged trim, anyway...) The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
These are neither and hence shouldn't use the name. All in my utterly subjective opinion, obviously...
You could by either model in white with ridiculous wheels.
Or you could spec both quite elegantly (dark green, no tints, small wheels for example).
The new 2011 range rover has all the chintz as standard the Evoque has.
I have driven both over long distance and to me there is simply no comparison. One is a posh mid-size SUV with a smart interior, the other a genuine S-class/A8/7 Series rival. But it is all down to personal preference, I guess.
JLR are on a serious roll 
It may not be my kind'a car, but I still think its fantastic for what it is, and certainly stands out in the sea of VAG dreariness have these days. Compared to its competition (Porsche, BMW, Audi) the price really isn't that bad.
I forsee Japanese/Korean clones in the not too distant future.
It may not be my kind'a car, but I still think its fantastic for what it is, and certainly stands out in the sea of VAG dreariness have these days. Compared to its competition (Porsche, BMW, Audi) the price really isn't that bad.
I forsee Japanese/Korean clones in the not too distant future.
ferdi p said:
Cassius81 said:
ferdi p said:
Quite simply there is a huge market for smallish luxury cars at the moment..
The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
Simple - a real Range Rover is the most upmarket and classiest luxury four wheel drive you can buy (in standard, non-blinged trim, anyway...) The same people who scoff at a 42k Evoque probably laughed at BMW when they launched the new Mini that you could comfortably spec to well over 20k (& they sold in big numbers)
I also dont get the whole 'real Range Rover' argument, what exactly is one of those? what I see is loads of fat business men & mums driving them (& there idea of 'off road' is bumping up the curb outside the local school) !!!
These are neither and hence shouldn't use the name. All in my utterly subjective opinion, obviously...
The Range Rover evolved in to what it is now, it certainly didn't start out as a Luxury barge.. (Gotta admit, they are lovely tho)
We had an early RR in the family in the late eighties - imported it from Saudi actually and they weren't that luxurious, you are right. Brown vinyl seats and a very basic interior.
But I believe you are suggesting that a utilitarian vehicle, which it was to start with, cannot be either classy or upmarket (note, I didn't say luxurious). So I'm not wrong, am I?
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