Best value company car.

Best value company car.

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Chicharito

1,017 posts

152 months

Sunday 27th November 2011
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Deva Link said:
Chicharito said:
50k miles / year isn't exceptional for those in sales roles with large territories to cover.
I daresay there are people doing 50K but it is exceptional.

It doesn't add anything to a cash vs car discussion because, as you've already pointed out, it's a no brainer to take the company car if you're doing very high mileage.
However, my experience is that once you hit around 20k miles / year, the balance tips very much in favour of the company car - and 20k is very easy to hit.

U T

43,483 posts

151 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Pferdestarke said:
U T said:
Hyundai i40 is worth a look. And those low CO2 Volvo models, DRIVe I think they call them.
Very funny.
Yup, I tend to laugh at those who don't take Hyundai seriously.

Chicharito

1,017 posts

152 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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U T said:
Yup, I tend to laugh at those who don't take Hyundai seriously.
I think we can assume, in this case, that a Hyundai isn't a suitable alternative to the likely choices of 3-series / C-Class / A4 / Passat / S60 etc.

It may be an alternative to a rep. in a base spec. Focus, but not someone with an 'exec' class car option.

U T

43,483 posts

151 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Chicharito said:
U T said:
Yup, I tend to laugh at those who don't take Hyundai seriously.
I think we can assume, in this case, that a Hyundai isn't a suitable alternative to the likely choices of 3-series / C-Class / A4 / Passat / S60 etc.

It may be an alternative to a rep. in a base spec. Focus, but not someone with an 'exec' class car option.
There speaks someone who hasn't driven them. A have an A4 Allroad Avant as a co car and the i40 is certainly on the list as a poss replacement. BIK matters. And iX35 is a Q5 for half the cost.

texasjohn

3,687 posts

232 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Pferdestarke said:
About £80.
Ta

The 250 is a bit bigger then, c. 87 quid.

Flanders.

6,371 posts

209 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Chicharito said:
I think we can assume, in this case, that a Hyundai isn't a suitable alternative to the likely choices of 3-series / C-Class / A4 / Passat / S60 etc.

It may be an alternative to a rep. in a base spec. Focus, but not someone with an 'exec' class car option.
Since when have they been Exec?

Chr1sch

2,585 posts

194 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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320ed by miles, I've got one, it's a bit soft but goes extremely well and with some smart options is a very nice place to be! (I did sports seats, half leather, sports steering wheel, piano black dash)

RicksAlfas

13,418 posts

245 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Chr1sch said:
320ed by miles, I've got one, it's a bit soft but goes extremely well and with some smart options is a very nice place to be! (I did sports seats, half leather, sports steering wheel, piano black dash)
I'm not sure it's too soft. I think it's more that many other cars are too hard!
I like the way it can soak the bumps cross country.

Pferdestarke

7,184 posts

188 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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It is very comfortable with the non run-flats and smaller wheels. I went for sports wheel, rain sensor, high beam assist, chrome line exterior trim, media pack business including sat nav and Bluetooth. Wish I had sports seats but I hit my limit.

I find the gearing too long and it's a little laggy at low speeds but as a complete package it certainly delivers. That's why there's so many on the roads.


RicksAlfas

13,418 posts

245 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Mine was an ex demo so has loads of kit but I wish It had sports seats and split fold rears.
I got it purely for the low tax but I'm really impressed how it drives. Just wish it looked like an Alfa!

gansstraat

186 posts

225 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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I've been looking into the whole BIK issue as my company car is up for renewal early next year, and I also have the benefit of a fuel card. Whilst I went with a lot of posters' suggestion last time round and went for a 118d (which was about the only engine in the entire BMW range that came under the all important 119gms/km threshold at the time - about 3 years ago), the change in the emissions thresholds next year are making me SERIOUSLY consider a hybrid, which is a phrase I never thought I'd hear myself utter.

The changes mean that the average BMW 2 litre diesel, the company car driver's default weapon of choice, is going from a BIK of 13% up to 19-21%. This applies to the ED versions as well, and the further bad news is that the BIK rates increase by a further 1% in 2013, and the Government's not saying which way it's going after that (but take a wild guess).

In contrast, hybrids will be a BIK of 10% for the next 3 years, with the new plug in Prius and Vauxhall Ampera coming in at 5%. At a marginal rate of 40%, the difference to net income is >£200/month.

Whilst I like my cars as much as the next petrolhead, I also dislike paying any more tax to the government than I absolutely have to, which is why I'm giving it serious consideration. A difference of approximately £10K in net pay over a 4 year lease is not to be sniffed at (ironically, it's about the same as the child benefit I will lose from next year so they still win).

Whilst the Prius doesn't really float my boat, the Lexus ct200h and new Citroen DS5 are bearable for what will be a motorway muncher for the most part. BMW are going to be hit hard by these changes as the tax system starts to make their current line-up look very expensive in terms of BIK without a hybrid to get the emissions down. I suspect there will be a LOT more hybrids appearing on our streets from April next year onwards.

Chicharito

1,017 posts

152 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Just remember that the Lexus is just a Prius in expensive clothes.

If you want a hybrid that looks normal, then look at the Auris HSD or Civic IMA.

edc

9,240 posts

252 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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If you are in for a 320ed but are limited on monies/options then look at the 318d. I went for the MSport as whilst it's still a 3-er it at least looks a fraction different to all the 320ed you see, the BIK is pretty much the same, you get a few extra options over the 320ed (although to be perfectly honest I hardly use the cruise and I don't know any different than the sports seats). Just hit 20k since May in mine and it's been pretty decent overall.

plfrench

2,405 posts

269 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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gansstraat said:
The changes mean that the average BMW 2 litre diesel, the company car driver's default weapon of choice, is going from a BIK of 13% up to 19-21%. This applies to the ED versions as well, and the further bad news is that the BIK rates increase by a further 1% in 2013, and the Government's not saying which way it's going after that (but take a wild guess).

Have you got a link to this, as the tables I have seen suggest a 2012/13 increase to 18% for a Diesel with emissions of 116-120 g/km.

Typcially, the people most affected are those who had cars in the 116-120g/km bracket, as they see a 5% increase. I'm assuming the government noticed that too many company car users were opting for cars in this bracket were therefore denying the government coffers some much needed cash. Vehicles with higher CO2 emissions don't see such a large increase.

Pferdestarke

7,184 posts

188 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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plfrench said:
gansstraat said:
The changes mean that the average BMW 2 litre diesel, the company car driver's default weapon of choice, is going from a BIK of 13% up to 19-21%. This applies to the ED versions as well, and the further bad news is that the BIK rates increase by a further 1% in 2013, and the Government's not saying which way it's going after that (but take a wild guess).

Have you got a link to this, as the tables I have seen suggest a 2012/13 increase to 18% for a Diesel with emissions of 116-120 g/km.

Typcially, the people most affected are those who had cars in the 116-120g/km bracket, as they see a 5% increase. I'm assuming the government noticed that too many company car users were opting for cars in this bracket were therefore denying the government coffers some much needed cash. Vehicles with higher CO2 emissions don't see such a large increase.
The ED is 109g/km so won't increase much as suggested above.

plfrench

2,405 posts

269 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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So the 320ED goes from 13% to 16%. Still not great news!

OldSkoolRS

6,758 posts

180 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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The 2012 tax/BIK increase on the 320d SE NON 'ED' model is a smaller jump, so I decided that as I can't have a saloon (company rule) I might as well have the 320d as it still works out less than I'm currently paying for my '58 A4 Avant (120HP). On BMW's website there is a tax calculator and it worked out that even with the tax increases it's only going to cost me another £10 a month by year 3. I'll have had a couple of pay rises by then, so really it's not worth worrying about in my case. Chosing the 318d would be slightly cheaper this year, but next year there would be little in it, so what the hell...

I can't grumble being able to have a 320dSE for £85 a month (no fuel card and I'm slightly in pocket for business mileage anyway), so I can't be bothered trying to find a sub 115g/km alternative just to save a little bit more, but I can understand 40% tax payers in 4x4s being more interested.

plfrench

2,405 posts

269 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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But the irony is that, the supposedly 'dirty' 4x4's etc will see a much smaller increase(or nothing at all if currently 225g/km or above). The ones most hit with the biggest rise are those in the 116-120 bracket going from 13% to 18% in relative monetary terms, that is a 38% increase in tax going out of their pockets.

Just shows it is all about the money rather than the environment biggrin

Pferdestarke

7,184 posts

188 months

Tuesday 29th November 2011
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plfrench said:
So the 320ED goes from 13% to 16%. Still not great news!
I read it as 15% taking in to account the 3% diesel only surcharge. So 2% of say £30k @ £600 x .40 = £240 / 12 months = £20 increase.

Or £10 at 20%.

Not great but hardly life changing.