Leaving a vehicle unattended while the engine is running
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I Just wondered if anyone has had any experience with this.
Its been brought to my attention that its illegal to leave your vehicle unattended while the engine is running, known as 'quitting' for some reason.
It's also illegal to park in a drop off point/loading only while the engine is not running, (this defines parking and thus isn't allowed at a drop off point).
1) How do both of the above work together? Cant leave the car to drop someone off while the engine is running, and cant stop the engine either.
2) What happens if you have a parking heater, which is an option an a Range Rover and allows you to remotely start the engine to defrost the car while your still getting ready in the morning. surely if this was illegal they wouldn't be allowed to sell it.
3) While stopping at a drop of point what happens if your car has auto start-stop to save fuel? That cuts the engine automatically, does that then count as 'parked' and thus is illegal.
citations:
Summarized in the publication, The Highway Code:
123
The Driver and the Environment. You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road. Generally, if the vehicle is stationary and is likely to remain so for more than a couple of minutes, you should apply the parking brake and switch off the engine to reduce emissions and noise pollution. However it is permissible to leave the engine running if the vehicle is stationary in traffic or for diagnosing faults.
[Law CUR regs 98 & 107]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504888/Dri...
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Its been brought to my attention that its illegal to leave your vehicle unattended while the engine is running, known as 'quitting' for some reason.
It's also illegal to park in a drop off point/loading only while the engine is not running, (this defines parking and thus isn't allowed at a drop off point).
1) How do both of the above work together? Cant leave the car to drop someone off while the engine is running, and cant stop the engine either.
2) What happens if you have a parking heater, which is an option an a Range Rover and allows you to remotely start the engine to defrost the car while your still getting ready in the morning. surely if this was illegal they wouldn't be allowed to sell it.
3) While stopping at a drop of point what happens if your car has auto start-stop to save fuel? That cuts the engine automatically, does that then count as 'parked' and thus is illegal.
citations:
Summarized in the publication, The Highway Code:
123
The Driver and the Environment. You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road. Generally, if the vehicle is stationary and is likely to remain so for more than a couple of minutes, you should apply the parking brake and switch off the engine to reduce emissions and noise pollution. However it is permissible to leave the engine running if the vehicle is stationary in traffic or for diagnosing faults.
[Law CUR regs 98 & 107]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504888/Dri...
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
NavSat said:
Nothing really to add apart from the fact this p
s me off!
There is a cash point right under my building and every chav with a ridiculous load exhaust on their Corsas leaves it running - shaking my windows out of their casements! Argh!
If it happens that much, just wait nearby & jump in the car & drive off, I think the maximum sentence for TWOC is a £5 fine or a few hours community service & I'm sure the magistrate would look favourably on you.s me off! There is a cash point right under my building and every chav with a ridiculous load exhaust on their Corsas leaves it running - shaking my windows out of their casements! Argh!
gsuk1 said:
2) What happens if you have a parking heater, which is an option an a Range Rover and allows you to remotely start the engine to defrost the car while your still getting ready in the morning. surely if this was illegal they wouldn't be allowed to sell it.
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I also heard that you can buy a car that goes over 70mph!0
shovelheadrob said:
f it happens that much, just wait nearby & jump in the car & drive off, I think the maximum sentence for TWOC is a £5 fine or a few hours community service & I'm sure the magistrate would look favourably on you.
You seem to forget the £5 fine is only for said chavs. For most of law abiding / working citizens this would carry a life sentence.NavSat said:
Nothing really to add apart from the fact this ps me off!
There is a cash point right under my building and every chav with a ridiculous load exhaust on their Corsas leaves it running - shaking my windows out of their casements! Argh!
Pelt them with eggs from your window! Or failing that call the Police and they'll apparently be done for leaving the engine running.s me off! There is a cash point right under my building and every chav with a ridiculous load exhaust on their Corsas leaves it running - shaking my windows out of their casements! Argh!
gsuk1 said:
yeah that was a copy and paste from somewhere else that I didn't edit properly.
Was the citation correct? If so, then the key bit is the public road bit. As for having the facility to do it (from reading the DM article), the clown forgets that his car is sold in other countries where it may be legal... plus he can happily leave his car running all day on his drive or in his garage. I suppose in the future, MB could invent a keyfob that knows whether the car is on the public highway or not. 
gsuk1 said:
So that means using the parking heater on anything other than a private drive is illegal. I wonder if JLR tell you that.
Surely it's the same as a night heater on a truck that just burns fuel in a heat exchanger, thus not requiring the engine to be running. It heats the water up, which in turn warms the block etc. I think the important words from plod maybe ".....left running......with the keys in the ignition...."
Is the RR feature a full engine-run (like in scandinavia
Auto heaters etc (and keyless entry / comfort access etc) mean you can leave it running, locked and deadlocked, but still have the keys safe indoors away from thieves and small children.
Is the RR feature a full engine-run (like in scandinavia
Auto heaters etc (and keyless entry / comfort access etc) mean you can leave it running, locked and deadlocked, but still have the keys safe indoors away from thieves and small children.
Edited by mikeN54 on Tuesday 29th November 13:45
shovelheadrob said:
NavSat said:
Nothing really to add apart from the fact this ps me off!
There is a cash point right under my building and every chav with a ridiculous load exhaust on their Corsas leaves it running - shaking my windows out of their casements! Argh!
If it happens that much, just wait nearby & jump in the car & drive off, I think the maximum sentence for TWOC is a £5 fine or a few hours community service & I'm sure the magistrate would look favourably on you.s me off! There is a cash point right under my building and every chav with a ridiculous load exhaust on their Corsas leaves it running - shaking my windows out of their casements! Argh!
If your an upright citizen then prepare to get shafted.
Super Slo Mo said:
gsuk1 said:
So that means using the parking heater on anything other than a private drive is illegal. I wonder if JLR tell you that.
Surely it's the same as a night heater on a truck that just burns fuel in a heat exchanger, thus not requiring the engine to be running. It heats the water up, which in turn warms the block etc. 
gsuk1 said:
1) How do both of the above work together? Cant leave the car to drop someone off while the engine is running, and cant stop the engine either.
Dropping someone off isn't the same as parking.gsuk1 said:
2) What happens if you have a parking heater, which is an option an a Range Rover and allows you to remotely start the engine to defrost the car while your still getting ready in the morning. surely if this was illegal they wouldn't be allowed to sell it.
Legal on your property.gsuk1 said:
3) While stopping at a drop of point what happens if your car has auto start-stop to save fuel? That cuts the engine automatically, does that then count as 'parked' and thus is illegal.
If you're still in the car, it wouldn't be considered parked.Do you want to tell us what actually happened?
I was thinking of this situation in a slightly different context. I have to drive my car out of the driveway when leaving the house and then have to leave the car to go and close the gates to the driveway. Previously, I used to turn the engine off to take the keys out of the vehicle for security reasons and go and close the gate.
Now that I have a newer car, I am more conscious of the increased wear to the engine if I turn it on and off in quick succession when it hasn't reached full operating temperature just to go and close the gate. However, would all this cosseting of the engine become academic if some scrote jumps in and drives off in my car when I leave it running to close the gates?
Ps Electric gates aren't an option either as I do not have the income of one company directorshipnever mind several.
Now that I have a newer car, I am more conscious of the increased wear to the engine if I turn it on and off in quick succession when it hasn't reached full operating temperature just to go and close the gate. However, would all this cosseting of the engine become academic if some scrote jumps in and drives off in my car when I leave it running to close the gates?
Ps Electric gates aren't an option either as I do not have the income of one company directorshipnever mind several.
mikeN54 said:
Auto heaters etc (and keyless entry / comfort access etc) mean you can leave it running, locked and deadlocked, but still have the keys safe indoors away from thieves and small children.
I seem to remember the Clifford Concept 300 alarm I had fitted to a previous car would do exactly that.I didn't have the module which supported remote start, but the documentation stated that the car would remain fully deadlocked and alarmed after being remotely started. And if the alarm was triggered during this state, the engine would automatically be killed and immobilised as a matter of course.
Seemed like a nice option, but the car in question was a Saab 900 which locked the transmission in reverse when the key was removed - remote starting that would have been fun
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