why do some cars have 2 reversing lights and others only 1?

why do some cars have 2 reversing lights and others only 1?

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Puddenchucker

4,111 posts

219 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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Euro regulations (for new cars) state that:
A car must have 1 rear fog lamp, with a second being optional.
A car must have 1 or 2 reversing lamps.

maniac0796

1,292 posts

167 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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On some cars the lights are symetrical with the reversing light on the NS and the the fog light on the OS. That's because you need a rear fog in the UK and it has to be central or OS of central. This saves space from a larger lense, but doesn't cut costs beacuse you have to manufacture different light units for LHD.

On cars where both spaces for reverse lights and fog lights are on both sides, this is simply cost saving and being able to make the same part for LHD and RHD. If you take apart the light cluster on some VW's for instance, a bulb will be in the NS fog light section, but the wire in the loom at the plug isn't there. So I don't know how they find cost saving there, but they seem to see sense in it.


NHK244V

3,358 posts

173 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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In the UK you need by law 1 O/S fog light and in europe it's the same but obv on tother side of the car so by making looms and lights for both they save money but i guess some companys fit both at assembly and others only fit 1 ?

dam must type quicker lol

David87

6,666 posts

213 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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The OCD in me finds it difficult to cope with cars that have rear lights that aren't symmetrical. Unfortunately for me, I've owned a few that have a fog lamp on one side and a reversing lamp on the other. It's cheap to cure (with a LHD lamp) on a Focus as it's a separate little unit in the bumper, but on some of the others it would have been quite pricey!

Perd Hapley

1,750 posts

174 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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David87 said:
The OCD in me finds it difficult to cope with cars that have rear lights that aren't symmetrical. Unfortunately for me, I've owned a few that have a fog lamp on one side and a reversing lamp on the other. It's cheap to cure (with a LHD lamp) on a Focus as it's a separate little unit in the bumper, but on some of the others it would have been quite pricey!
When I used to read the Fiesta forums (I had a MK3) I remember talk of buying a batch of nearside clusters from Europe so their cars could have symmetrical rear lights.

Of course, that loses the reverse light but as it's not an MOT item it's not a problem really.

Astra Dan

1,678 posts

185 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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Perd Hapley said:
When I used to read the Fiesta forums (I had a MK3) I remember talk of buying a batch of nearside clusters from Europe so their cars could have symmetrical rear lights.

Of course, that loses the reverse light but as it's not an MOT item it's not a problem really.
Very common with Novas, too, to fit a LHD spec cluster. You don't lose the reverse light, it's just red instead!

mph1977

12,467 posts

169 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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Astra Dan said:
Perd Hapley said:
When I used to read the Fiesta forums (I had a MK3) I remember talk of buying a batch of nearside clusters from Europe so their cars could have symmetrical rear lights.

Of course, that loses the reverse light but as it's not an MOT item it's not a problem really.
Very common with Novas, too, to fit a LHD spec cluster. You don't lose the reverse light, it's just red instead!
alternatively you do a mk1 astra have 2 reversing lights in the clusters and seperate pair of rear fogs on the valance

mrmr96

13,736 posts

205 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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David87 said:
The OCD in me finds it difficult to cope with cars that have rear lights that aren't symmetrical. Unfortunately for me, I've owned a few that have a fog lamp on one side and a reversing lamp on the other. It's cheap to cure (with a LHD lamp) on a Focus as it's a separate little unit in the bumper, but on some of the others it would have been quite pricey!



Don't have nightmares! wink

Morningside

24,111 posts

230 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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Fetchez la vache said:
Mave said:
TheDoggingFather said:
Well several of my Mini's don't have reverse lights smile
How old are they, and were they originally fitted with them? Construction and Use Regs now aren't the same as they used to be....
Yep, my 1972 beach buggy had no reverse lights.. fog lights... wing mirrors...
I thought the craze on old Minis is to have one huge fog light as a reversing light. biggrin


I prefer two. Maybe its better and brighter for reversing.

It just looks like some after thought when there are only one of each. Still its better than some older Jap imports that have a separate fog light underneath.


I think the older Focus must be one of the worse for rear reverse lighting.

Jam Spavlin

909 posts

186 months

Tuesday 13th December 2011
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My 2007 Clio has two of each so is mega posh?

XG332

3,927 posts

189 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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Jam Spavlin said:
My 2007 Clio has two of each so is mega posh?
My 1999 corsa also has 2 of each. How posh.

Attym3

7,259 posts

169 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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mrmr96 said:


Don't have nightmares! wink
Cool wheels

jimbo65

752 posts

199 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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Max_Torque said:
You obviously have never bought a new car. When you buy one they ask you how much reversing you are likely to do after nightfall. You can then choose the extra light option (although i believe they take away one of the cupholders to balance the cost of the extra light........... ;-)
Wow, do they take away a radio knob to balance the extra weight!

sebhaque

6,409 posts

182 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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Old Mini - two reverse lights, one foglight. (Not bad for a 29 year old car that doesn't even have side indicators!)
E46 M3 - two reverse lights, one foglight. Even though it looks like it should have two.



Edited by sebhaque on Wednesday 14th December 00:24

RZ1

4,335 posts

207 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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My P reg MR2 has 2 reverse lights and 2 rear fog lights
My 57 Plate A4 has 1 reverse light and 2 rear fog lights

Jakg

3,472 posts

169 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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Codswallop said:
My car is posh - not only does it have two reversing lights, but it also has two rear fog lights party
Same (MG ZT)

Geussing it's because a reversing light lens is white, and a (rear) foglight lens is red - on my old car (Proton Wira) this made the tail lights look imbalanced as they weren't the same (1 of each)

Having 2 reversing lights help when parking at night I find (or at least, with a reversing camera you can see a bit more).

It's the little things smile

MatthewO

847 posts

154 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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I have a mk1 golf, 2 reverse lights and 2 rear fogs (it's even got front fogs, lah-di-dah) although that's 'cos it's the series 2 with the larger rear light clusters to accomodate such upper-class technology. bowtie

Podie

46,630 posts

276 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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New POD said:
Jacobthechap said:
as the title say,

something i have noticed is that the more expensive the car the more likely it has 2 reversing lights?

just a weird thing i noticed...
Cost. On a volvo S40 I Owned I noticed that one of the rear fog lights was out. So I bought a bulb, and found that all the wiring and the socket was in place, but the HOLE in the plastic had not been cut out. So with Stanley's knife I carefully removed said bit of plastic and fitted a second fog lamp bulb. I reckon they'd saved £0.25 p MAX

If they can get away with saving 1 Fog light bulb, 1 Reversing light bulb AND the wiring, then they'll be saving what ? £2 ?
Yep, it's all down to cost.

Multiply that out by the number of vehicles made, and it becomes a significant number.

Nick3point2

3,917 posts

181 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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Mave said:
Just because something isn't in the MoT, doesn't mean it isn't a legal requirement smile
Prepared for a flaming but how can a car be deemed roadworthy if it is carrying on illegal defect?

Futuramic

1,763 posts

206 months

Wednesday 14th December 2011
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Cost; I would imagine.

German cars tend to only have one foglight as logic dictates it is more easily distinguished from the brake lights. My BMW only has one. My old Volvo had one on each side and they really did look like brake lights. Had a dash mounted switch too, which I never engaged when being tailgated. Never.

As for reversing lights; I hate cars that only have one. It makes reversing in badly lit areas more complex than necessary. The Ford Focus is a case in point.