RE: Driven: Range Rover Sport Supercharged (2012)
Discussion
fishman said:
I agree with others here what a complete cock noobs car driven by Chavs or overpaid wendy ball players. IMO what a complete waste of a supercharger on a 2.5ton breeze block, says it all about the prospectus buyers all the gear but no idea!
May I compliment you on your insightful and eloquent summation of everybody who drives an RRS. When I grow up and become really successful I hope I too will be able to drive a BMW 3 series pimped up by AC Schnitzer. I will also hopefully learn how to judge and condemn drivers of other cars so wisely and summarily, and come up with such witty insults!I will also hopefully have improved my lung capacity in order to be so economical with punctuation! Presumably noobs refers to 'new money', so clearly you are a man of breeding and old money, probably an aristocrat, or possibly part of the Royal family if so thank you for sharing your noble views with us proles!;)
Trommel said:
fishman said:
I agree with others here what a complete cock noobs car driven by Chavs or overpaid wendy ball players. IMO what a complete waste of a supercharger on a 2.5ton breeze block, says it all about the prospectus buyers all the gear but no idea!
What sort of prospectus are they buying?LMAO keep your pants on am I not allowed to state an opinion then??? I personally can not stand these cars they are driven typically by impatient and discourteous people who think they are bigger than their boots. So thanks for proving my point, besides I simply don’t get it a 4x4 that is trying hard to be sports car so in reality its neither just an over-priced fudge.
bozmandb9 said:
May I compliment you on your insightful and eloquent summation of everybody who drives an RRS. When I grow up and become really successful I hope I too will be able to drive a BMW 3 series pimped up by AC Schnitzer. I will also hopefully learn how to judge and condemn drivers of other cars so wisely and summarily, and come up with such witty insults!
I will also hopefully have improved my lung capacity in order to be so economical with punctuation! Presumably noobs refers to 'new money', so clearly you are a man of breeding and old money, probably an aristocrat, or possibly part of the Royal family if so thank you for sharing your noble views with us proles!;)
If you think AC Schnitzer 'pimp' then you clearly dont know alot, I just dont like the vechicle its a fudge and don't understand the point of it. Perhaps if it was 1/2 ton lighter and had a entire redesign then I might have a different opinion.I will also hopefully have improved my lung capacity in order to be so economical with punctuation! Presumably noobs refers to 'new money', so clearly you are a man of breeding and old money, probably an aristocrat, or possibly part of the Royal family if so thank you for sharing your noble views with us proles!;)
fishman said:
LMAO keep your pants on am I not allowed to state an opinion then??? I personally can not stand these cars they are driven typically by impatient and discourteous people who think they are bigger than their boots. So thanks for proving my point, besides I simply don’t get it a 4x4 that is trying hard to be sports car so in reality its neither just an over-priced fudge.
You're of course entitled to have your opinion about other car brands, but by reacting how you did... i think you've just proven that BMW owners have a well deserved reputation...fishman said:
LMAO keep your pants on am I not allowed to state an opinion then??? I personally can not stand these cars they are driven typically by impatient and discourteous people who think they are bigger than their boots. So thanks for proving my point, besides I simply don’t get it a 4x4 that is trying hard to be sports car so in reality its neither just an over-priced fudge.
Of course you are, just as people who disagree with you can express theirs. I don't have an RRS, but I disagree that it's trying to be a sports car, any more than a Jaguar XJ Sport is trying to be a Sports car. To me, a RRS is a Range Rover which is a compromise between the FFRR, and a normal road car, which gives all of the off road ability of the FFRR, but better on road dynamics, to people prepared to sacrifice a little space inside. Every car contains elements of compromise, however the RRS is an extremely good package overall. I have a FFRR, and personally I prefer it to the RRS, but having done the Land Rover Experience several times, some of the instructors rate the RRS as superior to the FFRR for off road as well as on road.
I also disagree that the RRS is driven by impatient or discourteous people, however it is a large car, so people will be much more aware of it. Personally I find a lot of BMW's are driven by very impatient people. Had a couple ahead of me yesterday on the M40, tailgating, undertaking, etc etc. However I don't judge BMW drivers, I've had many myself, and I know I always try to drive courteously, whether I'm in a BMW or FFRR.
It's funny how some people don't understand why others buy a FFRR or an RRS.
Well here's one, we have a family RRS TDV8. We upgraded from a Vauxhall Frontera 3.2 V6 LE. Pretty substantial upgrade i must say so :P
We use it whenever we can, even though we live on a small island with small lanes and roads it works pretty well, i like driving it because you have a commanding view over the road, i even find it easier to drive on small roads than my old banger of a car as you can judge distances and widths much easier.
We did have a choice of this or an Audi Q7, but we decided to go the Range Rover route as we knew of the reputation of being generally an all round better 4x4.
Yes it does feel sporty in fact, but in no way do i think it's a supercar, but what you get is something that can take a huge amount of luggage or anything in the back, tow a trailer and then when you want to have a blast round some B roads after travelling 1000 miles through France and Spain... you can!
And no we aren't the 'usual' snobs who bought their RRS because of the posing value. (Well maybe a bit
) In fact, we have driven it to Spain, France, throughout the UK. We've been to Wales off-roading, getting it dirty and generally using it for what it was built for. Also, the big highlight of the car, is that we drove through Spain and France in 2 days, just resting overnight, to eventually take it to Morrocco where we went off-roading through canyons, across salt flats (which i can attest to that the RRS can in fact handle being jumped, as in all 4 wheels off the ground, at 90mph. Salt Flats, are not that flat :/) I've even had amazing play in some sand dunes, big ones! And it handled that perfectly!
Only problem i got, air filter clogged. And after 14 days... drove back home, without a hiccup.
For me, to sum this car up is that you can have a play with this car, drive long hours in comfort, and at the end of it, go off-road and then do it all over again.
And after reading all of that, it sounds like i want to sleep with it.... Hmm... saying that, i've used it for camping as well, sleeping in the back is quite comfortable!
Well here's one, we have a family RRS TDV8. We upgraded from a Vauxhall Frontera 3.2 V6 LE. Pretty substantial upgrade i must say so :P
We use it whenever we can, even though we live on a small island with small lanes and roads it works pretty well, i like driving it because you have a commanding view over the road, i even find it easier to drive on small roads than my old banger of a car as you can judge distances and widths much easier.
We did have a choice of this or an Audi Q7, but we decided to go the Range Rover route as we knew of the reputation of being generally an all round better 4x4.
Yes it does feel sporty in fact, but in no way do i think it's a supercar, but what you get is something that can take a huge amount of luggage or anything in the back, tow a trailer and then when you want to have a blast round some B roads after travelling 1000 miles through France and Spain... you can!
And no we aren't the 'usual' snobs who bought their RRS because of the posing value. (Well maybe a bit
) In fact, we have driven it to Spain, France, throughout the UK. We've been to Wales off-roading, getting it dirty and generally using it for what it was built for. Also, the big highlight of the car, is that we drove through Spain and France in 2 days, just resting overnight, to eventually take it to Morrocco where we went off-roading through canyons, across salt flats (which i can attest to that the RRS can in fact handle being jumped, as in all 4 wheels off the ground, at 90mph. Salt Flats, are not that flat :/) I've even had amazing play in some sand dunes, big ones! And it handled that perfectly!Only problem i got, air filter clogged. And after 14 days... drove back home, without a hiccup.
For me, to sum this car up is that you can have a play with this car, drive long hours in comfort, and at the end of it, go off-road and then do it all over again.
And after reading all of that, it sounds like i want to sleep with it.... Hmm... saying that, i've used it for camping as well, sleeping in the back is quite comfortable!
bozmandb9 said:
May I compliment you on your insightful and eloquent summation of everybody who drives an RRS. When I grow up and become really successful I hope I too will be able to drive a BMW 3 series pimped up by AC Schnitzer. I will also hopefully learn how to judge and condemn drivers of other cars so wisely and summarily, and come up with such witty insults!
My favourite part is where he doesn't "get" fast load luggers. But appears to own a moderately fast estate car. No doubt said estate car "handles better than a M3, but wiv the load carrying space innit" 
Rich_W said:
My favourite part is where he doesn't "get" fast load luggers. But appears to own a moderately fast estate car. No doubt said estate car "handles better than a M3, but wiv the load carrying space innit"
What, you mean there are cara that can outperform remapped 330s?? Shocked!!!(i know, should be looking for my coat by now lol)
There is obviously no comparison in performance and handling with the RRS and XFR, apart from the same engine the XFR is streets ahead! I have the pleasure of running two XFR's and they certainly do not have fuel economy anywhere near what they claim... combined your lucky to get 20-21 so I cant see the comparison with the Diesel
RRS being relevant.. The Supercharged RRS is only aonce run in should slightly averaging between 16-17 at the moment but should improve a little over time.
RRS being relevant.. The Supercharged RRS is only aonce run in should slightly averaging between 16-17 at the moment but should improve a little over time.
As a long time defender driver I’d always been a bit sniffy about Rangies – until my new puma engined defender gave up the ghost after only 750miles from new. A very apologetic land rover couldn’t find the fault and loaned me a spanking new FFRR TDV8 which I had for 4 months until they got to the bottom of why my defender died (another very very long story)
Suffice to say the FFRR is without doubt the best all round car I’ve ever driven. Unbeatable on long journeys, big distances through the highlands such a pleasure with that commanding view, glassy cabin and wonderful interior. Over taking on the A9 a breeze, snow and mud – no problem. Haul a big trailer – easy!, carry a crated V8 engine in the boot – easy! Also as a city car; super versatile, great visibility, so easy to park…the list of abilities is endless.
However I accept everyone’s opinion who suggests that RR drivers can be a bit “hooligan” – it is an unfortunate side effect of the driving experience. Magisterial driving position, loads of torque, super comfortable throne…can make one impatient with other road users! Although it must be said the difference in other driver’s attitudes was the most surprising. The defender is pretty well received – waved through and let out of side turnings. As soon as I got in the Rangie I was cut up, never let out and even verbally abused (it was Glasgow I suppose!) So the attitude problem with Rangies is definitely a two way street.
Didn’t really want my Defender back!
Suffice to say the FFRR is without doubt the best all round car I’ve ever driven. Unbeatable on long journeys, big distances through the highlands such a pleasure with that commanding view, glassy cabin and wonderful interior. Over taking on the A9 a breeze, snow and mud – no problem. Haul a big trailer – easy!, carry a crated V8 engine in the boot – easy! Also as a city car; super versatile, great visibility, so easy to park…the list of abilities is endless.
However I accept everyone’s opinion who suggests that RR drivers can be a bit “hooligan” – it is an unfortunate side effect of the driving experience. Magisterial driving position, loads of torque, super comfortable throne…can make one impatient with other road users! Although it must be said the difference in other driver’s attitudes was the most surprising. The defender is pretty well received – waved through and let out of side turnings. As soon as I got in the Rangie I was cut up, never let out and even verbally abused (it was Glasgow I suppose!) So the attitude problem with Rangies is definitely a two way street.
Didn’t really want my Defender back!
Mr ADC, you're spot on. I'm sure many of us who drive Rangies now, used to pre-judge the drivers!
And you're right about the way other road users treat you. I had a great example yesterday. I went across a roundabout in lane 2, on a dual carriageway, and found that over the other side, lane one was solid, due to some temporary traffic lights ahead.
The dual carriageway went down to one lane just before the lights, so being in lane two, I had every right to go ahead and merge at the normal place, but this would have the effect of jumping the queue. Not doing it however just means you're not using the whole road, when road space is very tight, if nobody was using lane two, then lane one could back up right over the roundabout creating a worse problem.
So I stayed in lane two, just very gently passing the lane one traffic, and filtered in where the lanes merged, of course a lot of drivers at the head of the queue weren't happy, three of four forced their way in front of me as I tried to merge, which I accepted with good grace. I could see why they were annoyed, but equally I didn't really see that I had done anything wrong. OK I could have merged as soon as I saw the situation, but as I said, this just means that the available road is not being used. If I'd wanted to be a tosser I'd have driven rapidly up lane two and passed as many cars as possible, I certainly didn't do that either.
But my point is this. If I'd been in a battered white van, I could have been a tosser, and got away with it, and people would have accepted it a lot more. They might have thought 'bloody white van driver', but that's it. Driving much more reasonably, I was judged much more harshly, because I was in a FFRR. It's a resentment borne out of, what envy? I don't know. But I do know this.
When you drive a Range Rover, you have to be more considerate, more careful, than in most other cars. Whatever you think you've seen Range Rover drivers doing badly, think about it, and you'll find that you've seen BMW drivers, white van drivers, or others doing much worse, it just bugs you more because it was a Range Rover driver!
And you're right about the way other road users treat you. I had a great example yesterday. I went across a roundabout in lane 2, on a dual carriageway, and found that over the other side, lane one was solid, due to some temporary traffic lights ahead.
The dual carriageway went down to one lane just before the lights, so being in lane two, I had every right to go ahead and merge at the normal place, but this would have the effect of jumping the queue. Not doing it however just means you're not using the whole road, when road space is very tight, if nobody was using lane two, then lane one could back up right over the roundabout creating a worse problem.
So I stayed in lane two, just very gently passing the lane one traffic, and filtered in where the lanes merged, of course a lot of drivers at the head of the queue weren't happy, three of four forced their way in front of me as I tried to merge, which I accepted with good grace. I could see why they were annoyed, but equally I didn't really see that I had done anything wrong. OK I could have merged as soon as I saw the situation, but as I said, this just means that the available road is not being used. If I'd wanted to be a tosser I'd have driven rapidly up lane two and passed as many cars as possible, I certainly didn't do that either.
But my point is this. If I'd been in a battered white van, I could have been a tosser, and got away with it, and people would have accepted it a lot more. They might have thought 'bloody white van driver', but that's it. Driving much more reasonably, I was judged much more harshly, because I was in a FFRR. It's a resentment borne out of, what envy? I don't know. But I do know this.
When you drive a Range Rover, you have to be more considerate, more careful, than in most other cars. Whatever you think you've seen Range Rover drivers doing badly, think about it, and you'll find that you've seen BMW drivers, white van drivers, or others doing much worse, it just bugs you more because it was a Range Rover driver!
MrADC said:
As a long time defender driver I’d always been a bit sniffy about Rangies – until my new puma engined defender gave up the ghost after only 750miles from new. A very apologetic land rover couldn’t find the fault and loaned me a spanking new FFRR TDV8 which I had for 4 months until they got to the bottom of why my defender died (another very very long story)
Suffice to say the FFRR is without doubt the best all round car I’ve ever driven. Unbeatable on long journeys, big distances through the highlands such a pleasure with that commanding view, glassy cabin and wonderful interior. Over taking on the A9 a breeze, snow and mud – no problem. Haul a big trailer – easy!, carry a crated V8 engine in the boot – easy! Also as a city car; super versatile, great visibility, so easy to park…the list of abilities is endless.
However I accept everyone’s opinion who suggests that RR drivers can be a bit “hooligan” – it is an unfortunate side effect of the driving experience. Magisterial driving position, loads of torque, super comfortable throne…can make one impatient with other road users! Although it must be said the difference in other driver’s attitudes was the most surprising. The defender is pretty well received – waved through and let out of side turnings. As soon as I got in the Rangie I was cut up, never let out and even verbally abused (it was Glasgow I suppose!) So the attitude problem with Rangies is definitely a two way street.
Didn’t really want my Defender back!
Just for reference a FFRR (Full Fat Range Rover) is not a TDV8 but the petrol supercharged version, although I stand to be corrected?Suffice to say the FFRR is without doubt the best all round car I’ve ever driven. Unbeatable on long journeys, big distances through the highlands such a pleasure with that commanding view, glassy cabin and wonderful interior. Over taking on the A9 a breeze, snow and mud – no problem. Haul a big trailer – easy!, carry a crated V8 engine in the boot – easy! Also as a city car; super versatile, great visibility, so easy to park…the list of abilities is endless.
However I accept everyone’s opinion who suggests that RR drivers can be a bit “hooligan” – it is an unfortunate side effect of the driving experience. Magisterial driving position, loads of torque, super comfortable throne…can make one impatient with other road users! Although it must be said the difference in other driver’s attitudes was the most surprising. The defender is pretty well received – waved through and let out of side turnings. As soon as I got in the Rangie I was cut up, never let out and even verbally abused (it was Glasgow I suppose!) So the attitude problem with Rangies is definitely a two way street.
Didn’t really want my Defender back!
Edited by T16OLE on Tuesday 10th January 14:37
T16OLE said:
Just for reference a FFRR (Full Fat Range Rover) is not a TDV8 but the petrol supercharged version, although I stand to be corrected?
FFRR used to exist in 3.6 TDV8 as well, and has now been replaced with a 4.4 TDV8 Edited by T16OLE on Tuesday 10th January 14:37
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