RE: SOTW: Hyundai Coupe V6

[matthias73]

I'm not to sure if the figures are good or not on the V6.

0-60 takes 8.5 seconds. Reasonable, but compared to a 3 series 2 litre diesel from the same year, its pretty much the same, but the three series gets almost twice as many miles per gallon, and has twice as much torque.

Another coupe on shed of the week was the peugeot 406 V6 coupe. I'd rather go for that than the hyundai. I believe independent tests had 0-60 at the 7 second range, which is better, and the interior would be nicer.

[elementad]

4rephill said:

elementad said:

Those BMW advances make Hondas 1999 s2000 2 litre 240bhp engine sound like something from star trek.

Whoopee doo for Honda! (pity you have to rev the nuts off it to get it to do anything though isn't it! )

Based on your star Trek analogy, that makes the Hyundai output something that would have disappointed George Stephenson!

elementad said:

Might just be a case of big V6 engine, not very tuned, not much r&d involved, not much stress on parts therefore can use cheaper components and offer the big warranty?

Whichever way you cut it and try to explain it, 165 BHP from 2.7 litres is not very good!, even Chrysler's 2.7 litre V6's from 1998 was putting out@ 200HP!

The s2000 is leagues ahead of any BMW spart from the M models in in terms of sports car performance. Revving it to get it to go anywhere.. So what? Unless your used to diesels.

I'm not bothered about what Hyundai offer as a product as I'm not interested in buying one but yeah it could get more out of the v6 for sure. There is a reason they didn't though and I suspect cost r&d and component life is to do with it.

[kambites]

4rephil said:

Whichever way you cut it and try to explain it, 165 BHP from 2.7 litres is not very good!, even Chrysler's 2.7 litre V6's from 1998 was putting out@ 200HP!

And what difference does that make to anything? If they'd fitted a 165-bhp 2.0 V6 instead, how would that make it a better car in any way (unless it was significantly lighter, but that seems to have more to do with construction than capacity)?

All other things being equal, I'd rather have a 165bhp 2.7 V6 than a 165bhp 2.0 I4.

[Ninjaboy]

Ted Rolson said:

Ninjaboy said:

Do you have any facts to back up your statement "they can't make a decent amount of power because they would blow up"? or any of your other statements for that matter because it all sounds like BS to me.

PS hearing something in a pub or your mate telling you doesn't make it a fact.

Cleary i have upset the PC brigade, its true Hyundai cannot make a good car engine, they might make mediocre cars but there engines are rubbish.
Well considering i dont go to the pub because i dont drink, your point about that is wrong.
I have been to a rolling road Bhp testing facility though, if i had 1000pound it would be going on something fun & with abit of class.

t
You aint upset me my boy just asked for some facts to back up your statement, Anything to back up your new well informed opinion?

[Futuramic]

Ninjaboy said:

Ted Rolson said:

Ninjaboy said:

Do you have any facts to back up your statement "they can't make a decent amount of power because they would blow up"? or any of your other statements for that matter because it all sounds like BS to me.

PS hearing something in a pub or your mate telling you doesn't make it a fact.

Cleary i have upset the PC brigade, its true Hyundai cannot make a good car engine, they might make mediocre cars but there engines are rubbish.
Well considering i dont go to the pub because i dont drink, your point about that is wrong.
I have been to a rolling road Bhp testing facility though, if i had 1000pound it would be going on something fun & with abit of class.

t
You aint upset me my boy just asked for some facts to back up your statement, Anything to back up your new well informed opinion?

I don't really drink; yet I still go to the pub because I have friends. And a social life. Both of which prevent me worrying too much about Hyundais. The engine has a low specific output for its size. It's not a sporting lump as they fit it to people carriers, 4WDs, luxury saloons and god knows what else. It is torquey, simple and reliable and that's what matters. The coupe is not an expensive car. It is flash, froth, brass or whatever other metaphor one wishes to apply to something that looks good but isn't packed full of top end engineering. They said the same about the Capri in 1985 and they'll continue on about the Audi TT and Peugeot RCZ in years to come.

I'd drive one.

[Ninjaboy]

Futuramic said:

Ninjaboy said:

Ted Rolson said:

Ninjaboy said:

Do you have any facts to back up your statement "they can't make a decent amount of power because they would blow up"? or any of your other statements for that matter because it all sounds like BS to me.

PS hearing something in a pub or your mate telling you doesn't make it a fact.

Cleary i have upset the PC brigade, its true Hyundai cannot make a good car engine, they might make mediocre cars but there engines are rubbish.
Well considering i dont go to the pub because i dont drink, your point about that is wrong.
I have been to a rolling road Bhp testing facility though, if i had 1000pound it would be going on something fun & with abit of class.

t
You aint upset me my boy just asked for some facts to back up your statement, Anything to back up your new well informed opinion?

I don't really drink; yet I still go to the pub because I have friends. And a social life. Both of which prevent me worrying too much about Hyundais. The engine has a low specific output for its size. It's not a sporting lump as they fit it to people carriers, 4WDs, luxury saloons and god knows what else. It is torquey, simple and reliable and that's what matters. The coupe is not an expensive car. It is flash, froth, brass or whatever other metaphor one wishes to apply to something that looks good but isn't packed full of top end engineering. They said the same about the Capri in 1985 and they'll continue on about the Audi TT and Peugeot RCZ in years to come.

I'd drive one.

I don't worry about hyundai's i've got one but i'm under no illusion about what is. It's decent enough car though. I just found it amusing to hear ill informed nonsense from someone with out facts to back it up. I'm aware the low specific out put of the engine i even stated a number of reasons why it will never produce big power in standard form. I will say this though for what i paid for it i couldn't have got a better looking, better handling new car, although in a straigh line it's not the fastest car in the world it's better than the figures would suggest. I don't recall mentioning social lives or drink either that was someone else??

Edited by Ninjaboy on Sunday 8th January 20:04

[dowahdiddyman]

All these people slagging Hyundai Coupe`s have obviously never owned one. I`ve had my 2 ltr since it was 6 mths old and have now had it over 8 years in which time it`s fried the clutch, my fault and has done 2 window switches in. How many so called premium cars can need so little in eight years.

Ninos, was it a big job to get the RX8 alloys to fit.

[EDLT]

The Hyundai Coupe was mentioned in PPC this month, they reckon the 3.3 V6 from the Sonata will fit giving it 230+hp

[ninos]

dowahdiddyman said:

All these people slagging Hyundai Coupe`s have obviously never owned one. I`ve had my 2 ltr since it was 6 mths old and have now had it over 8 years in which time it`s fried the clutch, my fault and has done 2 window switches in. How many so called premium cars can need so little in eight years.

Ninos, was it a big job to get the RX8 alloys to fit.

No buddy, they are a straight fit. You will need to use 215 or 225 x 40 tyres on the alloys which is the correct size for the coupe. Standard rx8 wheels are generally fitted with 225 x 45 tyres which will rub if not changed. The centre bore and stud diameter is exactly the same as the coupe.

You'll find a lot more info on the Hyundai coupe club if you search on google. Lots of free and friendly advice.

[matthias73]

EDLT said:

The Hyundai Coupe was mentioned in PPC this month, they reckon the 3.3 V6 from the Sonata will fit giving it 230+hp

only one way to find out

[fokiohero]

I was very dissapointed they decided not to release the Genesis in the UK as it's got actually got the performance to match the looks, doesn't make sense considering how popular the Coupe was.

[dowahdiddyman]

ninos said:

No buddy, they are a straight fit. You will need to use 215 or 225 x 40 tyres on the alloys which is the correct size for the coupe. Standard rx8 wheels are generally fitted with 225 x 45 tyres which will rub if not changed. The centre bore and stud diameter is exactly the same as the coupe.

You'll find a lot more info on the Hyundai coupe club if you search on google. Lots of free and friendly advice.

cheers for that, go onto the coupe club site myself, just not been on for a while.

[anonymous-user]

fokiohero said:

I was very dissapointed they decided not to release the Genesis in the UK as it's got actually got the performance to match the looks, doesn't make sense considering how popular the Coupe was.

the car would be getting into the 30's and some people that would be too much for the badge. I thibnk they look ace and they do a 3.8 v6

[Ted Rolson]

4rephill said:

It's not so much an issue with:Is 165 BHP enough to make this car fun?, 165 BHP may well, the query is: How, in 2002, have Hyundai only managed to extract 165 BHP from a 2.7 litre engine when BMW have been getting 171 BHP from a 2.5 litre engine since the M20 version back in 1985, and 192 BHP from their 2.5 litre M52 engine that was introduced in 1995? And in the case of the M20 version, this 171 BHP was achieved with a 12-valve, belt driven SOHC engine. So there was 2 valves per cylinder and no fancy timing systems like VANOS, it was a fairly basic, mechanical engine (as opposed to one that has it's timing constantly adjusted by computers).

THANKYOU ! Some who understands.

[kambites]

Ted Rolson said:

THANKYOU ! Some who understands.

I think everyone understand that the power is low for the capacity. What we don't understand is why that matters?

[Ted Rolson]

The reason i especially dont like Hyundai's now is because 1- their owners carnt except they have bought a rubbish car.2- Hyundai drivers block up the roads.Go ask Clarkson and the boys what they think.Also as a petrolhead i like to think of my car being the best it can, not having limited power because of shoddy internals.Theres no reason why you shouldn't go to BMW, Merc, Audi, Toyota or Nissan.I dont have much of a social life because im usually working or on the road am i supposed to apologise for this too, ohh sorry for being honest too.Thats the last comment from me on this Goodnight.

[Ted Rolson]

kambites said:

I think everyone understand that the power is low for the capacity. What we don't understand is why that matters?

Because the internals are st!! pointing out the obvious.

[kambites]

Ted Rolson said:

kambites said:

I think everyone understand that the power is low for the capacity. What we don't understand is why that matters?

Because the internals are st!! pointing out the obvious.

st in what way? I don't understand. I'm not aware of any particular reliability issues with the engine if it's serviced on schedule, which is more than can be said for most engines produced by most of the German manufacturers.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 8th January 22:53

[denniswise9]

I guess it would feel like your being short changed using so much petrol for so little return?

[kambites]

denniswise9 said:

I guess it would feel like your being short changed using so much petrol for so little return?

That's a reasonable point, but a completely different one - fuel consumption has very little to do with engine capacity.