RE: New Porsche Boxster unwrapped
Discussion
The front three-quarter view is great, but I'm not convinced by the front, which appears too wide (probably due to the narrow upright stacked lights), and the back, which looks far too fussy imo (especially the spoiler lights 
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Also, the interior is hateful. I really didn't like the rising transmission tunnel in the 991 as it made the centre console look squashed and weird, and the same treatment is not much better in this application.
)Also, the interior is hateful. I really didn't like the rising transmission tunnel in the 991 as it made the centre console look squashed and weird, and the same treatment is not much better in this application.
kambites said:
The rear looks too bulbous compared to the front and I've never liked the way that Porsche make the back of their cars just fall away. Oh, and that little lip looks like an afterthought - like the one they glued onto the mk1 TT to aid stability.
they really can't win....original Boxster: "can't really tell if the front from the rear" - response? make the rear more curvaceous than the front, lower the frontresponse? Rear looks bulbous!
That rear lip can't be an afterthought with the way it merges with the rear lights.... it's not like it's a ducktail inbetween them....that would be more an after thought.
So yes, this gets massive thumbs up from me, MR2, Elise, Carrera GT, yeah maybe...who cares, with it looking THIS good in the press shots, you KNOW it would look fantatsic in the metal....bearing i mind how god awful some BMWs look in press shots, but approach acceptable as time goes by, and you get used to them..
The reason for the bulbousness (if that's a word) and the "push-me pull-me" complaints about the original car are the same. The way the rear boot-lid falls away almost linearly towards the back of the car rather than having longer horizontal section and then a sharp edge. It's a stupid design, both from an aerodynamic stability point of view (presumably, the reason for the ugly little "lip") and a visual one.
The S1 Elise and mk1 Audi TT both suffer from the same problem with the same solution - an ugly little lip tacked onto the bodywork to sheer the air-flow.
That prototype pictures above, solves the problem in a much more elegant way by having a spoiler integrated properly into the rear wings so it looks an integrated part of the bodywork.
The S1 Elise and mk1 Audi TT both suffer from the same problem with the same solution - an ugly little lip tacked onto the bodywork to sheer the air-flow.
That prototype pictures above, solves the problem in a much more elegant way by having a spoiler integrated properly into the rear wings so it looks an integrated part of the bodywork.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 12th January 09:41
I think a bit of revolution has crept in..it's not Porsche's normal nip/tuck job... too many detail and panel changes for that.
I think it looks beautiful, more pronounced rear, rids it of the push-me-pull-you styling of old, a change in jewellery adds character and differentiation, stance looks good, normal reserved/classic surface treatment with a daring (for Porsche!) side scoop flourish with a well thought out rear lip spoiler....and the interior looks a step on from what it was, although I always loved the cowled instrument display..
Can't wait to see one on the road.
I think it looks beautiful, more pronounced rear, rids it of the push-me-pull-you styling of old, a change in jewellery adds character and differentiation, stance looks good, normal reserved/classic surface treatment with a daring (for Porsche!) side scoop flourish
with a well thought out rear lip spoiler....and the interior looks a step on from what it was, although I always loved the cowled instrument display..Can't wait to see one on the road.
presumably because the alternative stylistic solution would be too jarring with the rest of the flowing lines? makes you wonder....that Porsche and Lotus can come up with same 'issues'
I don't have a problem with it at all...expecially the rear lip, quite a cohesive solution....does it lift? I always thought the previous idea of a flush rear design was nice, but looked worse when the pop-up...popped up..
I don't have a problem with it at all...expecially the rear lip, quite a cohesive solution....does it lift? I always thought the previous idea of a flush rear design was nice, but looked worse when the pop-up...popped up..
Agoogy said:
presumably because the alternative stylistic solution would be too jarring with the rest of the flowing lines? makes you wonder....that Porsche and Lotus can come up with same 'issues'
So do you dislike the back of this:
which has fairly similar lines to the back but a much more abrupt rear? I think that concept works much better. The S2 Elise does the same thing too - generally flows upwards towards the rear and then stops suddenly and I think it works quite well (although the S2 Elise has all sorts of other styling hilarities that ruin it).
Just on looks alone - I love it.
Im not convinced by the new 991 - but the Boxster is looking great.
I wonder how the new model will effect the Boxster Mk1 - I am keen on a Boxster S, and tired examples seem to start at about £5.5k.
Looking forward to buying a Boxster Mk3 in a few years time !
Im not convinced by the new 991 - but the Boxster is looking great.
I wonder how the new model will effect the Boxster Mk1 - I am keen on a Boxster S, and tired examples seem to start at about £5.5k.
Looking forward to buying a Boxster Mk3 in a few years time !
Oh yes. The Boxster is one of my favourite cars, and this looks like a peach. The styling is spot on, very delicate and not at all showy. Yes a hint of MR2 to the front end, and yes it looks physically smaller which is not a bad thing (even though it is probably wider in every direction) The interior looks like a lovely place to be, and I even like the colour scheme of this one. Lighter weight too!
Lets hope it drives at least as nicely as the 987 and its a winner for me.
Lovely looks, a sensible size, practical enough to use every day (if you don't need back seats of course), sensible running costs, a roof which comes down, and just the right amount of performance for UK roads. I'll take a 2.7 with only a handful of options please.
10/10 from me.
ETA
Having found this picture on Autocar (boo hiss), I'm not so sure about its arse end. It would look so much cleaner without that spoiler, especially running through the lights, a shame. Can I re-vote to a 9/10?
Lets hope it drives at least as nicely as the 987 and its a winner for me.
Lovely looks, a sensible size, practical enough to use every day (if you don't need back seats of course), sensible running costs, a roof which comes down, and just the right amount of performance for UK roads. I'll take a 2.7 with only a handful of options please.
10/10 from me.
ETA
Having found this picture on Autocar (boo hiss), I'm not so sure about its arse end. It would look so much cleaner without that spoiler, especially running through the lights, a shame. Can I re-vote to a 9/10?
Edited by BigTom85 on Thursday 12th January 10:02
kambites said:
So do you dislike the back of this:
which has fairly similar lines to the back but a much more abrupt rear? I think that concept works much better. The S2 Elise does the same thing too - generally flows upwards towards the rear and then stops suddenly and I think it works quite well (although the S2 Elise has all sorts of other styling hilarities that ruin it).
well other than using a picture of the front ot highlight a solution for the rear I'd argue there's very little in it between Boxster and CGTwhich has fairly similar lines to the back but a much more abrupt rear? I think that concept works much better. The S2 Elise does the same thing too - generally flows upwards towards the rear and then stops suddenly and I think it works quite well (although the S2 Elise has all sorts of other styling hilarities that ruin it).
Really like this and contrary to most, I do like the Panamera style console.
Also very much like the inclusion of the sport chrono stopwatch within the dash, much more integrated now rather than looking like an afterthought.
Something however I thought was great with Porsche was that if you had additional options such as heated seats, sports exahust etc they would add the button into the centre console and if you didn't have the option, there would just be nothing there. Now it seems however that you get blanking plates put over where the option buttons would be, which does hint at mass produced as opposed to low volume sports car.
All in all, a very good update and look forward to speccing the configurator when it's released to see how expensive I can make one!
Also very much like the inclusion of the sport chrono stopwatch within the dash, much more integrated now rather than looking like an afterthought.
Something however I thought was great with Porsche was that if you had additional options such as heated seats, sports exahust etc they would add the button into the centre console and if you didn't have the option, there would just be nothing there. Now it seems however that you get blanking plates put over where the option buttons would be, which does hint at mass produced as opposed to low volume sports car.
All in all, a very good update and look forward to speccing the configurator when it's released to see how expensive I can make one!
There's a huge difference to my eye, which makes the difference between an ugly car and a decent looking one. The CGT stays almost completely flat to level with the back of the rear wheels; the Boxster has already started to fall away considerably by that point.
The fact that the "tall" bit between the rear wings on the CGT doesn't look like bodywork helps a lot too, because it makes the wing edge look more prominent. If the line of the rear wing was the highest point of the car all the way to the cockpit, I think the Boxster would work because it would flow up and then back down again but it doesn't; because of the engine cover it just flows down from the cabin all the way to the back. You can't see it so much with the roof up though, that does improve it a bit.
What's the old 50s(?) speedster type Porsche that has a very similar wing shape but is much lower between the rear wings? I think it should have been like that.
The fact that the "tall" bit between the rear wings on the CGT doesn't look like bodywork helps a lot too, because it makes the wing edge look more prominent. If the line of the rear wing was the highest point of the car all the way to the cockpit, I think the Boxster would work because it would flow up and then back down again but it doesn't; because of the engine cover it just flows down from the cabin all the way to the back. You can't see it so much with the roof up though, that does improve it a bit.
What's the old 50s(?) speedster type Porsche that has a very similar wing shape but is much lower between the rear wings? I think it should have been like that.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 12th January 10:11
I think it's great. It will no doubt drive superbly and the usual critics will point out its lack of personality or character. Whatever. At least now you won't think it's a 911.
VIDEO:
http://youtu.be/FEUs3mvrUng
Colour really is awful, engine sounds great though. Doesn't look so different when its moving, which is a shame.
VIDEO:
http://youtu.be/FEUs3mvrUng
Colour really is awful, engine sounds great though. Doesn't look so different when its moving, which is a shame.
Edited by Hellbound on Thursday 12th January 11:51
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