RE: PH Fleet: VW Golf GTI Edition 35
Discussion
nickfrog said:
Thing is the difference between the two is tiny compared to the difference between either of them and a finer driving tool, like a 130i, so comparing then is a bit moot in the grand scheme of things.
Precisely. Then you'd have ordered Heston's £180 tasting menu at the Fat Duck instead of his Cottage Pie. 
ArosaMike said:
NEWSFLASH: PH COMMUNITY 'DENIES GOLF GTI IS A GREAT CAR DESPITE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY' SHOCKER!
Also inside: 'BMW E46 M3 Buying Guide - Just what to expect when your Vanos dies 1 month after your bought it for the same price as a new Golf GTI', and 'Ask the experts - How to form detailed opinions based on hearsay, a test drive of a 'slightly similar car 10 years ago' and 'what that bloke said on another thread 6 months ago'.
Next month - 'Yet more hatred an vitreol bestowed on anyone mentioning they like VW Golfs', 'How to sell your E46 M3 and buy a Ferrari F355' and 'How to give the impression you've got an interesting car when really you've got a P reg Citroen Xantia'.
The funniest thing I've reason PH for a very long time. Also inside: 'BMW E46 M3 Buying Guide - Just what to expect when your Vanos dies 1 month after your bought it for the same price as a new Golf GTI', and 'Ask the experts - How to form detailed opinions based on hearsay, a test drive of a 'slightly similar car 10 years ago' and 'what that bloke said on another thread 6 months ago'.
Next month - 'Yet more hatred an vitreol bestowed on anyone mentioning they like VW Golfs', 'How to sell your E46 M3 and buy a Ferrari F355' and 'How to give the impression you've got an interesting car when really you've got a P reg Citroen Xantia'.
Motorrad said:
I haven't seen that much b
hing.
There's been some comment that the GTi, like many other 'premium' hatches might be a bit 'emperors new clothes' and a bit of a cash cow for some manufacturers at the expense of what are presumably fashion victims.
I think there's a balance to be found between the both arguments but what nobody can argue with is the fact that the 'People's car' sure knows how to charge UK folk through the nose.
hing.There's been some comment that the GTi, like many other 'premium' hatches might be a bit 'emperors new clothes' and a bit of a cash cow for some manufacturers at the expense of what are presumably fashion victims.
I think there's a balance to be found between the both arguments but what nobody can argue with is the fact that the 'People's car' sure knows how to charge UK folk through the nose.
Motorrad said:
There's been some comment that the GTi, like many other 'premium' hatches might be a bit 'emperors new clothes' and a bit of a cash cow for some manufacturers at the expense of what are presumably fashion victims.
I think there's a balance to be found between the both arguments but what nobody can argue with is the fact that the 'People's car' sure knows how to charge UK folk through the nose.
What a car costs to buy isn't what it costs to own though.I think there's a balance to be found between the both arguments but what nobody can argue with is the fact that the 'People's car' sure knows how to charge UK folk through the nose.
Here's a question I don't know the answer to: Skoda VRS v VW Golf Gti, what is the depreciation on each like?
Nobody buys at list price obviously, but what would be the depreciation on a new Skoda v a new Golf? In two years and 20,000 miles, or 3 years and 30,000 miles, what would the owners lose on each?
Would both cars lose £8k over two years, thus both costing the same overall?
David87 said:
I very much like this Golf. Riggers, have you driven a Golf R? How does it compare?
here: http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...I actually think the key here is the Scirocco R - cheaper than the Golf R, more fun (to me, at least) and barely any more money than the Golf GTI Ed 35.
But in answer to your actual question - to me the Golf R feels a touch more slow-witted in its handling, though it is noticeably quicker
£30k for the Golf, this is were the VAT rate change has really hit new car prices in the last 12 months
2.0 TSI GTI Edition 35 5dr DSG
New Car Price £ 28,526.50 base price - 20% VAT = £23,772.08
Registration Fee £ 55.00
Delivery Charge £ 543.50
12Month Road Tax £ 315.00
On the Road £ 29,440.00
Now at VAT 17.5% we had for many years
New Car Price £ 27,932.20 base price - 17.5% VAT = £23,772.08
Registration Fee £ 55.00
Delivery Charge £ 543.50
12Month Road Tax £ 315.00
On the Road £ 28,845.70
Finally VAT 15.0% we had for one year
New Car Price £ 27,337.89 base price - 15.0 VAT = £23,772.08
Registration Fee £ 55.00
Delivery Charge £ 543.50
12Month Road Tax £ 315.00
On the Road £ 28,251.39
New car prices have risen because of sterling - euro exchange rate and VAT, hence the 30k, but when see over £6K is taxation of one kind or another, it makes you think
2.0 TSI GTI Edition 35 5dr DSG
New Car Price £ 28,526.50 base price - 20% VAT = £23,772.08
Registration Fee £ 55.00
Delivery Charge £ 543.50
12Month Road Tax £ 315.00
On the Road £ 29,440.00
Now at VAT 17.5% we had for many years
New Car Price £ 27,932.20 base price - 17.5% VAT = £23,772.08
Registration Fee £ 55.00
Delivery Charge £ 543.50
12Month Road Tax £ 315.00
On the Road £ 28,845.70
Finally VAT 15.0% we had for one year
New Car Price £ 27,337.89 base price - 15.0 VAT = £23,772.08
Registration Fee £ 55.00
Delivery Charge £ 543.50
12Month Road Tax £ 315.00
On the Road £ 28,251.39
New car prices have risen because of sterling - euro exchange rate and VAT, hence the 30k, but when see over £6K is taxation of one kind or another, it makes you think
Given that you can buy an Octavia VRS new for 16-18k. And given that they share similar oily bits. And assuming that VAG still make a modest profit on the Octavia even at those prices, what must the profit margin be on a Golf GTI sold in the UK market?
I guess we will never know. And I doubt the retail dealer sees much of the margin either. But the extra shiny loveliness of the Golf that seems to seduce so many people, must be relatively cheap to add.
Clever chaps, VAG. Clever.
I guess we will never know. And I doubt the retail dealer sees much of the margin either. But the extra shiny loveliness of the Golf that seems to seduce so many people, must be relatively cheap to add.
Clever chaps, VAG. Clever.
Riggers said:
here: http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...I actually think the key here is the Scirocco R - cheaper than the Golf R, more fun (to me, at least) and barely any more money than the Golf GTI Ed 35.
But in answer to your actual question - to me the Golf R feels a touch more slow-witted in its handling, though it is noticeably quicker
I bought my golf r in march last year. In oz we were told we weren't getting the scirocco. They have just been released here.
It is a more direct steer, and you can feel the extra weight. But I'm happy with my choice.
They also choose to price them high to make the dumb masses believe the higher perceived value. It's exactly what happens with fashion and women's designer hand bags/shoes as a crude example.
Price at £20k and it gives the impression they are cheap. Price at £34k and people start to believe your actually buying £14 grands worth of quality over the other £20k cars of similar ilk.
Price at £20k and it gives the impression they are cheap. Price at £34k and people start to believe your actually buying £14 grands worth of quality over the other £20k cars of similar ilk.
heebeegeetee said:
What a car costs to buy isn't what it costs to own though.
Here's a question I don't know the answer to: Skoda VRS v VW Golf Gti, what is the depreciation on each like?
Nobody buys at list price obviously, but what would be the depreciation on a new Skoda v a new Golf? In two years and 20,000 miles, or 3 years and 30,000 miles, what would the owners lose on each?
Would both cars lose £8k over two years, thus both costing the same overall?
Interesting point......Here's a question I don't know the answer to: Skoda VRS v VW Golf Gti, what is the depreciation on each like?
Nobody buys at list price obviously, but what would be the depreciation on a new Skoda v a new Golf? In two years and 20,000 miles, or 3 years and 30,000 miles, what would the owners lose on each?
Would both cars lose £8k over two years, thus both costing the same overall?
Still though, another way of looking at it is how much VW are making from the ed35 over the vrs.
Theres clearly a market for such a car, and people will pay £28-31k for a grown-up hot hatch if they want to.
elementad said:
They also choose to price them high to make the dumb masses believe the higher perceived value. It's exactly what happens with fashion and women's designer hand bags/shoes as a crude example.
Price at £20k and it gives the impression they are cheap. Price at £34k and people start to believe your actually buying £14 grands worth of quality over the other £20k cars of similar ilk.
does that make A3 owners even dumber?Price at £20k and it gives the impression they are cheap. Price at £34k and people start to believe your actually buying £14 grands worth of quality over the other £20k cars of similar ilk.
Dave Hedgehog said:
elementad said:
They also choose to price them high to make the dumb masses believe the higher perceived value. It's exactly what happens with fashion and women's designer hand bags/shoes as a crude example.
Price at £20k and it gives the impression they are cheap. Price at £34k and people start to believe your actually buying £14 grands worth of quality over the other £20k cars of similar ilk.
does that make A3 owners even dumber?Price at £20k and it gives the impression they are cheap. Price at £34k and people start to believe your actually buying £14 grands worth of quality over the other £20k cars of similar ilk.
BTW, depreciation in % terms is not very different whether VW or Skoda so the VW is much more costly in £ terms.
Dave Hedgehog said:
elementad said:
They also choose to price them high to make the dumb masses believe the higher perceived value. It's exactly what happens with fashion and women's designer hand bags/shoes as a crude example.
Price at £20k and it gives the impression they are cheap. Price at £34k and people start to believe your actually buying £14 grands worth of quality over the other £20k cars of similar ilk.
does that make A3 owners even dumber?Price at £20k and it gives the impression they are cheap. Price at £34k and people start to believe your actually buying £14 grands worth of quality over the other £20k cars of similar ilk.
Also fwiw, three of the four are in their fifties, one in his sixties. All of them have an interest in cars and motorsport.
Dave Hedgehog said:
does that make A3 owners even dumber?
I like these dumb people
I rely on them to spend their money on the latest "must have" so that there is a supply in the second hand market and then a tight ar*e like me has more choice and can get better value. If there is a market for premium priced cars then it provides more funding in the car industry and the innovation and technology can then feed its way down to the basic cars in time.
On the face of it, £31K looks expensive but if you look back to the MkV in 2005, you would pay £23K for a 5 door with DSG. Now add leather, uprated stereo, £1K or so for extra VAT (per someone's earlier post), the other optional extras included in that £31K price, inflation and you're up to £29K. Now add a premium for exclusivity of having the special edition and you're at £31K. I'm not saying I would buy it but there is a market for it. VW spent that money on the advertising and convinced the mass consumer (not us lot!) that the GOLF is worth it.
OK, yes it would be nice if they could what Alfa did with the 8C - "we haven't got enough budget, OK cut the advertising/marketing budget and put the money in engineering and design". But such is business.
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