RE: PH Fleet: VW Golf GTI Edition 35
Discussion
carllll said:
I must be dumber ive got a Golf Edition 35 on my driveway now and i paid well under 30k for it and it i love it. If you can afford it and you want why not.
100 % Agree. Your choice.carllll said:
People who think that someone is dumb because they buy new. Have they ever thought that so called dumb person are actually doing well and can afford to lose thousand's on a car. So you never know are you dumber than them ?
I can't say I agree with that part at all though. BTW, my annual motoring budget would easily allow me to buy that Golf. It's just I spend it in a more exciting way.Frankly the Skoda and a superbike would be a much better proposition. Or a pilot's licence. Or a grand tour. Or many other things instead of an "Apple" badge (thankyou Martin Kropp) and soft plastics.
New car prices have gone up a lot in recent years, for all the reasons described earlier.
Most people buying an Ed35 will be looking at the 3-year ownership costs, rather than the sticker price. Those costs will be competitive with lots of other cars, both higher and lower in terms of RRP.
The Golf Mk6 rides on the same chassis and component set as the Mk5. The 8P Audi A3 (2003+) had a major facelift in 2008, which makes it just the same age as the Mk6 Golf's design. In reality, it probably hasn't been perceived as extensive a facelift as the Golf Mk6 (especially the interior and infotainment) - hence prices being very close between the Golf and A3.
For the next generation A3 and Golf (late 2012 on), I expect the price gap will open up more - the difference between the Passat and A4 show what's possible - albeit for cars riding on different platforms with different engine choices...
Most people buying an Ed35 will be looking at the 3-year ownership costs, rather than the sticker price. Those costs will be competitive with lots of other cars, both higher and lower in terms of RRP.
The Golf Mk6 rides on the same chassis and component set as the Mk5. The 8P Audi A3 (2003+) had a major facelift in 2008, which makes it just the same age as the Mk6 Golf's design. In reality, it probably hasn't been perceived as extensive a facelift as the Golf Mk6 (especially the interior and infotainment) - hence prices being very close between the Golf and A3.
For the next generation A3 and Golf (late 2012 on), I expect the price gap will open up more - the difference between the Passat and A4 show what's possible - albeit for cars riding on different platforms with different engine choices...
Edited by Basil Hume on Friday 20th January 16:30
Basil Hume said:
Most people buying an Ed35 will be looking at the 3-year ownership costs, rather than the sticker price. Those costs will be competitive with lots of other cars, both higher and lower in terms of RRP.
In what way? A general sniff at GTI's on autotrader and they've lost as much in the first couple of years as any other car. Edited by Basil Hume on Friday 20th January 16:30
Servicing, i dont know the costs but i would reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper. I know servicing my old S2000 was only £90 odd quid every year.
Fuel, thats down to how heavy your foot is.
People have convinced themselves that there are huge gaps in % of depreciation after 3 years between similar cars but the actual gaps are small, maybe 5 percentage points tops so if when you spend £30K, even if you retain 55% instead of 50% on a £20k car, you're still £3.5K worse off, and that's a lot for a couple of shiny badges.
nickfrog said:
People have convinced themselves that there are huge gaps in % of depreciation after 3 years between similar cars but the actual gaps are small, maybe 5 percentage points tops so if when you spend £30K, even if you retain 55% instead of 50% on a £20k car, you're still £3.5K worse off, and that's a lot for a couple of shiny badges.
Totally agree. It always TENDS to be German marques that people go on about retaining value quite ignorant to the fact that its generally bulls
t. It only takes minute to check reality on car prices on autotrader. Think more folk should experiment with it.CDP said:
carllll said:
I must be dumber ive got a Golf Edition 35 on my driveway now and i paid well under 30k for it and it i love it. If you can afford it and you want why not.
100 % Agree. Your choice.carllll said:
People who think that someone is dumb because they buy new. Have they ever thought that so called dumb person are actually doing well and can afford to lose thousand's on a car. So you never know are you dumber than them ?
I can't say I agree with that part at all though. BTW, my annual motoring budget would easily allow me to buy that Golf. It's just I spend it in a more exciting way.Frankly the Skoda and a superbike would be a much better proposition. Or a pilot's licence. Or a grand tour. Or many other things instead of an "Apple" badge (thankyou Martin Kropp) and soft plastics.
walk than have a motor bike and buy a second hand transit van instead of a skoda. What im saying is you can't claim to be more intelligent than someone because you buy a car which is cheaper when its 2 or 3 years old.
elementad said:
Basil Hume said:
Most people buying an Ed35 will be looking at the 3-year ownership costs, rather than the sticker price. Those costs will be competitive with lots of other cars, both higher and lower in terms of RRP.
In what way? A general sniff at GTI's on autotrader and they've lost as much in the first couple of years as any other car. Edited by Basil Hume on Friday 20th January 16:30
Servicing, i dont know the costs but i would reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper. I know servicing my old S2000 was only £90 odd quid every year.
Fuel, thats down to how heavy your foot is.
elementad said:
Basil Hume said:
Most people buying an Ed35 will be looking at the 3-year ownership costs, rather than the sticker price. Those costs will be competitive with lots of other cars, both higher and lower in terms of RRP.
In what way? A general sniff at GTI's on autotrader and they've lost as much in the first couple of years as any other car. Edited by Basil Hume on Friday 20th January 16:30
Servicing, i dont know the costs but i would reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper. I know servicing my old S2000 was only £90 odd quid every year.
Fuel, thats down to how heavy your foot is.
Don't S2000s need anything more than that?
If you don't know the costs of servicing how can you reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper? Maybe get some facts and let us know your findings
Edited by Bitzer on Friday 20th January 19:40
Bitzer said:
elementad said:
Basil Hume said:
Most people buying an Ed35 will be looking at the 3-year ownership costs, rather than the sticker price. Those costs will be competitive with lots of other cars, both higher and lower in terms of RRP.
In what way? A general sniff at GTI's on autotrader and they've lost as much in the first couple of years as any other car. Edited by Basil Hume on Friday 20th January 16:30
Servicing, i dont know the costs but i would reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper. I know servicing my old S2000 was only £90 odd quid every year.
Fuel, thats down to how heavy your foot is.
Don't S2000s need anything more than that?
If you don't know the costs of servicing how can you reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper? Maybe get some facts and let us know your findings
Edited by Bitzer on Friday 20th January 19:40
S2000 is approx £100 per year apart from the larger services which are approx £300-£400
elementad said:
Bitzer said:
elementad said:
Basil Hume said:
Most people buying an Ed35 will be looking at the 3-year ownership costs, rather than the sticker price. Those costs will be competitive with lots of other cars, both higher and lower in terms of RRP.
In what way? A general sniff at GTI's on autotrader and they've lost as much in the first couple of years as any other car. Edited by Basil Hume on Friday 20th January 16:30
Servicing, i dont know the costs but i would reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper. I know servicing my old S2000 was only £90 odd quid every year.
Fuel, thats down to how heavy your foot is.
Don't S2000s need anything more than that?
If you don't know the costs of servicing how can you reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper? Maybe get some facts and let us know your findings
Edited by Bitzer on Friday 20th January 19:40
S2000 is approx £100 per year apart from the larger services which are approx £300-£400
I'm querying your guesswork.
And your £90 a year has just changed to £3-400 for a larger service.
Edited by Bitzer on Friday 20th January 20:58
Bitzer said:
elementad said:
Bitzer said:
elementad said:
Basil Hume said:
Most people buying an Ed35 will be looking at the 3-year ownership costs, rather than the sticker price. Those costs will be competitive with lots of other cars, both higher and lower in terms of RRP.
In what way? A general sniff at GTI's on autotrader and they've lost as much in the first couple of years as any other car. Edited by Basil Hume on Friday 20th January 16:30
Servicing, i dont know the costs but i would reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper. I know servicing my old S2000 was only £90 odd quid every year.
Fuel, thats down to how heavy your foot is.
Don't S2000s need anything more than that?
If you don't know the costs of servicing how can you reckon Honda, Skoda and Ford are cheaper? Maybe get some facts and let us know your findings
Edited by Bitzer on Friday 20th January 19:40
S2000 is approx £100 per year apart from the larger services which are approx £300-£400
I'm querying your guesswork.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/usedcartes...
May not be the exact model etc but it's surely a pointer in the right direction.
"Services range from £140 and £320 – the biggest bill being for the 60,000-mile check-up. A fresh cambelt is needed after 80,000 miles or four years (£380); the air-con should be recharged every two years (£65) and the coolant should be renewed every three (£72). The brake fluid needs replacing every 24 months, at a cost of £72."
elementad said:
May not be the exact model etc but it's surely a pointer in the right direction.
"Services range from £140 and £320 – the biggest bill being for the 60,000-mile check-up. A fresh cambelt is needed after 80,000 miles or four years (£380); the air-con should be recharged every two years (£65) and the coolant should be renewed every three (£72). The brake fluid needs replacing every 24 months, at a cost of £72."
Which I can tell you is about the same as the cost to service and change the cambelt on the vRS*. There are many ways one might justify buying the Skoda; this isn't one of them."Services range from £140 and £320 – the biggest bill being for the 60,000-mile check-up. A fresh cambelt is needed after 80,000 miles or four years (£380); the air-con should be recharged every two years (£65) and the coolant should be renewed every three (£72). The brake fluid needs replacing every 24 months, at a cost of £72."
EDIT- *Considering it's the same engine as the Mk5 Golf, that's hardly surprising!
Edited by blearyeyedboy on Saturday 21st January 00:14
elementad said:
Ok a quick google and I come across this:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/usedcartes...
May not be the exact model etc but it's surely a pointer in the right direction.
"Services range from £140 and £320 – the biggest bill being for the 60,000-mile check-up. A fresh cambelt is needed after 80,000 miles or four years (£380); the air-con should be recharged every two years (£65) and the coolant should be renewed every three (£72). The brake fluid needs replacing every 24 months, at a cost of £72."
It's cheaper than that for MK5 Golfs (which is what that link points to) over 3 years old. Those prices are pretty much par for the course for most makes of vehicles, inc Honda as you've shown.http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/usedcartes...
May not be the exact model etc but it's surely a pointer in the right direction.
"Services range from £140 and £320 – the biggest bill being for the 60,000-mile check-up. A fresh cambelt is needed after 80,000 miles or four years (£380); the air-con should be recharged every two years (£65) and the coolant should be renewed every three (£72). The brake fluid needs replacing every 24 months, at a cost of £72."
I use a specialist workshop, they're more knowledgable and cheaper.
Edited by Bitzer on Friday 20th January 21:10
Chicane-UK said:
What's with the alloy wheels? They're off the "cold" versions of MK5 Golfs aren't they?!
I've seen this press car in another write up - pretty sure it's on winter wheels / winter tyres.They are not the actual wheels it will be sold with - which does make you wonder why they didn't just put winter rubber on the proper wheels..
I suppose what I was saying is that I think people who buy a new GTi (or Ed35) would probably at least look at leasing costs, PCP payments etc across a number of cars before deciding.
I'm sure that a forensic examination reveals that there are plenty of flaws in a very general statement that an Ed35 would compare favourably with a range of more / less expensively priced cars over, say, a 3 year period! But I think one can follow my jist?
I'm pretty sure it would look competitive to run an Ed35 over, say, a Megane RS over a 3 year period??
[Looks away while someone goes and does the maths, probably disproving the above point!
]
I'm sure that a forensic examination reveals that there are plenty of flaws in a very general statement that an Ed35 would compare favourably with a range of more / less expensively priced cars over, say, a 3 year period! But I think one can follow my jist?
I'm pretty sure it would look competitive to run an Ed35 over, say, a Megane RS over a 3 year period??
[Looks away while someone goes and does the maths, probably disproving the above point!
]Basil Hume said:
I suppose what I was saying is that I think people who buy a new GTi (or Ed35) would probably at least look at leasing costs, PCP payments etc across a number of cars before deciding.
I'm sure that a forensic examination reveals that there are plenty of flaws in a very general statement that an Ed35 would compare favourably with a range of more / less expensively priced cars over, say, a 3 year period! But I think one can follow my jist?
I'm pretty sure it would look competitive to run an Ed35 over, say, a Megane RS over a 3 year period??
[Looks away while someone goes and does the maths, probably disproving the above point! ]
I get your pointI'm sure that a forensic examination reveals that there are plenty of flaws in a very general statement that an Ed35 would compare favourably with a range of more / less expensively priced cars over, say, a 3 year period! But I think one can follow my jist?
I'm pretty sure it would look competitive to run an Ed35 over, say, a Megane RS over a 3 year period??
[Looks away while someone goes and does the maths, probably disproving the above point!
]carllll said:
You have misunderstood what i have said, you are saying your preferences. I would rather
walk than have a motor bike and buy a second hand transit van instead of a skoda. What im saying is you can't claim to be more intelligent than someone because you buy a car which is cheaper when its 2 or 3 years old.
But it's a front wheel drive hatchback which makes it a tool rather than an object of desire in it's own right. A useful, fast, comfortable and practical tool admittedly but I can get more effective devices for similar or less money. walk than have a motor bike and buy a second hand transit van instead of a skoda. What im saying is you can't claim to be more intelligent than someone because you buy a car which is cheaper when its 2 or 3 years old.
In effect they've taken a mundane hatchback, added a few hundred pounds worth of extras (at manufacturing cost) and a couple of thousand of performance mods and doubled the price. I doubt this costs much more than £500 over the Octavia VRS to build; it's a volume car. The extra's not engineering but VW's profit margin. Nice idea if you create enough hype to persuade the suckers to fall for it.
30K for tricked up supercharged Atom fine. For a hatchback. No.
elementad said:
In what way? A general sniff at GTI's on autotrader and they've lost as much in the first couple of years as any other car.
How do you mean they've lost as much? Have they lost as much percentage, or as much cash?Looking at Skoda v Golf for instance, if both cars lose the same percentage then the Skoda has done better; if they've lost the same cash (ie both cars lose £10k over 2 years) then the Golf has done better.
You've said in another post that it's BS about German residuals, but I can't see how it can be. Companies like VW and BMW etc can only command 'premium' prices if they can get those prices. The market always determines the price, and if VW can get £30k or whatever for their Golfs then that proves that the demand is there, and the demand will also be there at resale time too.
The only things in life that are overpriced are things that do not sell. If a product is selling well then clearly it is selling at a price the market will pay and thus is not overpriced.
These cars priced at nearly £30k will definately not sell in large numbers as in todays recession many folk who took loans out in middle England pre 2009 are not doing so....my local VW and BMW say the same....it's only going to go to PCP plan deals or a few minted retired owners.The reality is that the vast majority have other comitments ie rent/mortgage unless you have two big comfortable incomes with high disposable. Many people I see have downgraded their company cars too!! Many in basic derv burners.
People who can afford a straight forward cash deal will probably look elsewhere...I know I would if I had 30k and wanted something a bit special / retirement present.
Something like a Porker or M3 (V8). The RS4 is great appart from coking issue and damper problems as per R8 but a nice E46 M3 will save loads. Not saying the ED35 is not special enough. VAG Haldex is hideous on track adds weight and is not a sophisticated motorsport application.
I owned a APR Edition 30 with 330+bhp a Quaiffe Diff, big brakes and KW Clubsports....brilliant package and wish I never sold it but it was far superior than the S3/Golf R/R32 on track. Super civilised too!!
Can't get my head around buying a Megane either....probably good but I love German build.
People who can afford a straight forward cash deal will probably look elsewhere...I know I would if I had 30k and wanted something a bit special / retirement present.
Something like a Porker or M3 (V8). The RS4 is great appart from coking issue and damper problems as per R8 but a nice E46 M3 will save loads. Not saying the ED35 is not special enough. VAG Haldex is hideous on track adds weight and is not a sophisticated motorsport application.
I owned a APR Edition 30 with 330+bhp a Quaiffe Diff, big brakes and KW Clubsports....brilliant package and wish I never sold it but it was far superior than the S3/Golf R/R32 on track. Super civilised too!!
Can't get my head around buying a Megane either....probably good but I love German build.
Edited by Msportman on Saturday 21st January 13:14
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