RE: PH Fleet: VW Golf GTI Edition 35

RE: PH Fleet: VW Golf GTI Edition 35

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CJP80

1,097 posts

148 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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In 2007 I paid £27,000 for a fully loaded Audi S3 with Nav, Buckets, and everything else you can think of. I cannot for the life of me understand why this is £7K more expensive!

Fox-

13,238 posts

246 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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heebeegeetee said:
You've said in another post that it's BS about German residuals, but I can't see how it can be. Companies like VW and BMW etc can only command 'premium' prices if they can get those prices. The market always determines the price, and if VW can get £30k or whatever for their Golfs then that proves that the demand is there, and the demand will also be there at resale time too.
You can see resale for yourself. Find the going rate for a 2009 GTI, take this away from the price new and bingo, there is your depreciation.

I bought my 335i at 2.5 years old from a main dealer for less than HALF its invoice price. If thats not shocking residuals then I'm not sure what is. People mistake 'expensive used' for 'good residuals'. Sure, a 3 Series might be £15k when the equivilent Mondeo is just £8k. Shocking residuals on that Mondeo, right? But then the 3 Series was £35k new.. the only reason German cars are more expensive used is because they were more expensive in the first place.

heebeegeetee

28,750 posts

248 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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Fox- said:
You can see resale for yourself. Find the going rate for a 2009 GTI, take this away from the price new and bingo, there is your depreciation.

I bought my 335i at 2.5 years old from a main dealer for less than HALF its invoice price. If thats not shocking residuals then I'm not sure what is. People mistake 'expensive used' for 'good residuals'. Sure, a 3 Series might be £15k when the equivilent Mondeo is just £8k. Shocking residuals on that Mondeo, right? But then the 3 Series was £35k new.. the only reason German cars are more expensive used is because they were more expensive in the first place.
I'm not sure how the depreication can be worked out because I'd never know what was paid for originally. You say take away from price new, but what price? Can't be list because nobody pays that.

When you say your BMW had shocking residuals... shocking compared to what?

Fox-

13,238 posts

246 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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heebeegeetee said:
When you say your BMW had shocking residuals... shocking compared to what?
Well anything, 50% in 2.5 years isn't 'good residuals' is it? You'd probably lose less on a new Corsa.

heebeegeetee

28,750 posts

248 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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Fox- said:
Well anything, 50% in 2.5 years isn't 'good residuals' is it? You'd probably lose less on a new Corsa.
But is that the norm? Are you sure the invoice price was the price paid? Was it an outright purchase or was there a part-exchange? Did a company buy it, was it a company car? Do you know that you'd lose less on a Corsa?




Bitzer

4,238 posts

168 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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CJP80 said:
In 2007 I paid £27,000 for a fully loaded Audi S3 with Nav, Buckets, and everything else you can think of. I cannot for the life of me understand why this is £7K more expensive!
It's not, it's £4k more. And this is the RRP. Take 10% of this as a discount and it's £28k.

Factor in exchange rate and extra VAT as well, plus the price of materials would have risen and there's your answer.

carllll

23 posts

188 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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CDP said:
carllll said:
You have misunderstood what i have said, you are saying your preferences. I would rather
walk than have a motor bike and buy a second hand transit van instead of a skoda. What im saying is you can't claim to be more intelligent than someone because you buy a car which is cheaper when its 2 or 3 years old.
But it's a front wheel drive hatchback which makes it a tool rather than an object of desire in it's own right. A useful, fast, comfortable and practical tool admittedly but I can get more effective devices for similar or less money.

In effect they've taken a mundane hatchback, added a few hundred pounds worth of extras (at manufacturing cost) and a couple of thousand of performance mods and doubled the price. I doubt this costs much more than £500 over the Octavia VRS to build; it's a volume car. The extra's not engineering but VW's profit margin. Nice idea if you create enough hype to persuade the suckers to fall for it.

30K for tricked up supercharged Atom fine. For a hatchback. No.
Like you 100% agreed with my choice. Read my post S.L.O.W. IT DON'T MAKE YOU DUMB BECAUSE YOU BUY A BRAND NEW CAR OVER A 2/3 YEAR OLD ONE,thats basically what you said you don't agree with. Got it, so stop driveling on and explain if you want why you don't agree with what i said in original post.

carllll

23 posts

188 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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CDP said:
carllll said:
I must be dumber ive got a Golf Edition 35 on my driveway now and i paid well under 30k for it and it i love it. If you can afford it and you want why not.
100 % Agree. Your choice.

carllll said:
People who think that someone is dumb because they buy new. Have they ever thought that so called dumb person are actually doing well and can afford to lose thousand's on a car. So you never know are you dumber than them ?
I can't say I agree with that part at all though. BTW, my annual motoring budget would easily allow me to buy that Golf. It's just I spend it in a more exciting way.

Frankly the Skoda and a superbike would be a much better proposition. Or a pilot's licence. Or a grand tour. Or many other things instead of an "Apple" badge (thankyou Martin Kropp) and soft plastics.
Here is my post and your response.

Dave Hedgehog

14,555 posts

204 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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CDP said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
elementad said:
They also choose to price them high to make the dumb masses believe the higher perceived value. It's exactly what happens with fashion and women's designer hand bags/shoes as a crude example.
Price at £20k and it gives the impression they are cheap. Price at £34k and people start to believe your actually buying £14 grands worth of quality over the other £20k cars of similar ilk.
does that make A3 owners even dumber?
Take a look at the list prices, if anything the A3's better vale at both ends of the range. Admittedly they don't do an exactly analogous model to the Edition 35.

At the bottom end the A3 is certainly the better buy. Audi don't seem to have put their prices up as much as VW, maybe they had bigger margins before and absorbed the exchange rate. They certain couldn't increase an A6 significantly as the XF would simply murder it.
I think your right, when I chopped my R32 in sept matching my R32 spec the:

R Sirocco - No idea i don't like FWD tongue out
R golf - 41K
S A3 - 39K
RS A3 - 42K

And I think audi have droped the S3 again by a couple of grand as they phase out for the new model starts (and i assume it will 2 years before the new S3 turns up)


Bitzer

4,238 posts

168 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
I think your right, when I chopped my R32 in sept matching my R32 spec the:

R Sirocco - No idea i don't like FWD tongue out
R golf - 41K
S A3 - 39K
RS A3 - 42K

And I think audi have droped the S3 again by a couple of grand as they phase out for the new model starts (and i assume it will 2 years before the new S3 turns up)
You can get an S3 for around £27k new with a discount. It's never been £39k yikes

Dave Hedgehog

14,555 posts

204 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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Bitzer said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
I think your right, when I chopped my R32 in sept matching my R32 spec the:

R Sirocco - No idea i don't like FWD tongue out
R golf - 41K
S A3 - 39K
RS A3 - 42K

And I think audi have droped the S3 again by a couple of grand as they phase out for the new model starts (and i assume it will 2 years before the new S3 turns up)
You can get an S3 for around £27k new with a discount. It's never been £39k yikes
poverty spec maybe

L2R thou to my spec to match my R32

i just specced it up again and it came to 37K so about 2k less than the dealer quoted me in sept, buckets and custom paint would add 4k to that

LuS1fer

41,135 posts

245 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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I read the Daily Wail today and they were testing the new top line Honda Civic diesel GT and that's a fiver shy of £29k! So maybe we're just out of touch.

Bitzer

4,238 posts

168 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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LuS1fer said:
I read the Daily Wail today and they were testing the new top line Honda Civic diesel GT and that's a fiver shy of £29k! So maybe we're just out of touch.
£29k for a Civic! Then again, pensioners have just had a 5% increase wink


nickfrog

21,162 posts

217 months

Saturday 21st January 2012
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Yes some serious residual myths around. I paid £14,900 for a Porsche that was £40,300 new (invoice price) after just 4 years and 40k miles.
Sold it for £13,000 after 18 months. But we do need some (maybe naive in some cases) people to carry on buying new for this to happen.

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

161 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Nice car but looks so much chav!

Even the ibis white black edition a3's look much better (albiet still slightly chavvy) and as a result for 30odd K i would be getting an S3.

Hell maybe even an RS3 will be in that price range in a year or two?