Hot Hatch for £2000 - £3000
Discussion
Gutless vvti said:
Thanks for the suggestions folks I think it's going to have to be either a ph2 172 or EP3 Type R. Time to get some quotes!
A couple of other points you might want to consider.-How many miles a month/year are you doing?
If you have a fairly low annual mileage, then the cost per month extra to run a hotter car might actually be minimal.
e.g.
For 8000 miles a year on petrol:
30mpg = £138/month
35mpg = £118/month
40mpg = £103/month
40mpg (diesel) = £108/month
So for £35/month more you could run something like a CTR instead of something much slower and duller.
-It's also worth noting, that while on a hoon a CTR won't be great on fuel, but chances are you won't be able to drive like that all the time, so much of the time it'll be getting good mpg relatively speaking. A slower less rewarding car you are far more likely to thrash for far more of the time. Overall it means the economical probably won't be anywhere near as economical as you thought it would be.
Has to be a Clio 172, surely?
Great to drive, realistically attainable in that budget (even for a good one, whereas 182s, Type Rs etc. might be a bit ropey) and anecdotally very economical. Lots of people on here have talked about 40-odd mpg motorway economy, which sounds very tempting from such a credible hot hatch.
The only gripe you sometimes hear is the driving position, but I didn't find that a problem with the 182s I've driven; I presume they're similar inside.
Great to drive, realistically attainable in that budget (even for a good one, whereas 182s, Type Rs etc. might be a bit ropey) and anecdotally very economical. Lots of people on here have talked about 40-odd mpg motorway economy, which sounds very tempting from such a credible hot hatch.
The only gripe you sometimes hear is the driving position, but I didn't find that a problem with the 182s I've driven; I presume they're similar inside.
veevee said:
Robb F said:
Problem solved then. You can pick a decent one up for 1k and pocket the rest/have a holiday/tweak it etc
link please http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Ok it's £300 over 1K but close enough :P
http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Heres one for £700 with 'minor crash damage'. Nothing a bit of T-cut can't fix
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/306-GTi6-2-0-16v-ENGINE-...
doogz said:
I think 306's look absolutely brilliant as well.
Dunno why, it's just a 3 door hatchback, but i just think they look great.
But then, i still want a 309 Goodwood, so people probably shouldn't listen to me. (309's are a f
king great drive though)
I'm listening and agreeing with your choice of a 309 Dunno why, it's just a 3 door hatchback, but i just think they look great.
But then, i still want a 309 Goodwood, so people probably shouldn't listen to me. (309's are a f
king great drive though)
.....my friend had a Red GTI some many moons ago and it was such a laugh! Felt alot quicker than 128BHP though! lolHas to be a Clio 182 in that price range.
I considered one myself as I was in a similar position, wanting something more practical than my MK1 Mazda MX5.
I ended up getting a Celica T-Sport. More grown-up than a Hot Hatch and much more relaxing to drive, too. I get about 34mpg with a heavy right foot!
I considered one myself as I was in a similar position, wanting something more practical than my MK1 Mazda MX5.
I ended up getting a Celica T-Sport. More grown-up than a Hot Hatch and much more relaxing to drive, too. I get about 34mpg with a heavy right foot!
have been enjoying my 182's relative lack of thirst. According to the on-board mixed town driving I am getting about 35 and on a steady cruise just over 40. For decent pace that's not bad really.
Much better than my old 306 rallye which I reckon would be struggling to get above 30 at any time.
Which is quicker? Not sure, don't think there would be much in it. Top end rallye would win, just.
Clio was 4k, rallye probably now worth 2-and-a-bit. That's a fair old gap. But then the clio is 6 years younger.
Clio is a MUCH nicer place to be, got used to the driving position, enjoying the toys and there is much more grip than the 306.
The rallye did pretty much lift-off oversteer at will, mind
For the money vs what you get in pace vs thirst vs age I don't think you can go wrong with a good 1*2.
Much better than my old 306 rallye which I reckon would be struggling to get above 30 at any time.
Which is quicker? Not sure, don't think there would be much in it. Top end rallye would win, just.
Clio was 4k, rallye probably now worth 2-and-a-bit. That's a fair old gap. But then the clio is 6 years younger.
Clio is a MUCH nicer place to be, got used to the driving position, enjoying the toys and there is much more grip than the 306.
The rallye did pretty much lift-off oversteer at will, mind
For the money vs what you get in pace vs thirst vs age I don't think you can go wrong with a good 1*2.
300bhp/ton said:
A couple of other points you might want to consider.
-How many miles a month/year are you doing?
If you have a fairly low annual mileage, then the cost per month extra to run a hotter car might actually be minimal.
e.g.
For 8000 miles a year on petrol:
30mpg = £138/month
35mpg = £118/month
40mpg = £103/month
40mpg (diesel) = £108/month
So for £35/month more you could run something like a CTR instead of something much slower and duller.
-It's also worth noting, that while on a hoon a CTR won't be great on fuel, but chances are you won't be able to drive like that all the time, so much of the time it'll be getting good mpg relatively speaking. A slower less rewarding car you are far more likely to thrash for far more of the time. Overall it means the economical probably won't be anywhere near as economical as you thought it would be.
-How many miles a month/year are you doing?
If you have a fairly low annual mileage, then the cost per month extra to run a hotter car might actually be minimal.
e.g.
For 8000 miles a year on petrol:
30mpg = £138/month
35mpg = £118/month
40mpg = £103/month
40mpg (diesel) = £108/month
So for £35/month more you could run something like a CTR instead of something much slower and duller.
-It's also worth noting, that while on a hoon a CTR won't be great on fuel, but chances are you won't be able to drive like that all the time, so much of the time it'll be getting good mpg relatively speaking. A slower less rewarding car you are far more likely to thrash for far more of the time. Overall it means the economical probably won't be anywhere near as economical as you thought it would be.
theboymoon said:
Clio is a MUCH nicer place to be, got used to the driving position, enjoying the toys and there is much more grip than the 306.
The rallye did pretty much lift-off oversteer at will, mind
Does that make the 306 more fun in the real world, do you reckon?The rallye did pretty much lift-off oversteer at will, mind
I've driven both on test drives, but never really hard enough to explore the grip. I always assumed the Clio would be a friendly car at the limit? It certainly felt outwardly feistier.
I guess one thing to take into account is that a clean 306 Rallye must be approaching the point where it'll start to go up in value now (or at least stop depreciating) while even a mint 172 Cup has probably yet to reach that stage? Also, from memory, the 306 is usefully bigger inside if you're going to transport stuff.
Chris71 said:
theboymoon said:
Clio is a MUCH nicer place to be, got used to the driving position, enjoying the toys and there is much more grip than the 306.
The rallye did pretty much lift-off oversteer at will, mind
Does that make the 306 more fun in the real world, do you reckon?The rallye did pretty much lift-off oversteer at will, mind
I've driven both on test drives, but never really hard enough to explore the grip. I always assumed the Clio would be a friendly car at the limit? It certainly felt outwardly feistier.
I guess one thing to take into account is that a clean 306 Rallye must be approaching the point where it'll start to go up in value now (or at least stop depreciating) while even a mint 172 Cup has probably yet to reach that stage? Also, from memory, the 306 is usefully bigger inside if you're going to transport stuff.
Yep, can do 2x bikes and stuff in the clio but the 306 was that bit bigger. I do miss it!
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