RE: PH Carpool: Porsche 911 Carrera RS (964)
Discussion
Great thing about the 944 is that mortals can afford it and the fact it is even being compared to something like this is high praise, it says a lot for my chances of getting something like this when a cheap LHD one is 30 grand. I guess a RHD model from a dealers is going to be fifty grand with the associated costs to run it.
For me a 944 made sense as I have a thing for well aged Pork and a tidy 944 cab is what I could afford and have a fighting chance of not binning in comparison to this, suspect it is one for the absolute afficiando who has owned plenty of 911's and not for the uninitiated/cack handed/realtively poor, i.e. me, don't write the 944 off as being boring as it just isn't, or maybe some of us arent quite ready for a fifty grand white knuckle ride just yet.
For me a 944 made sense as I have a thing for well aged Pork and a tidy 944 cab is what I could afford and have a fighting chance of not binning in comparison to this, suspect it is one for the absolute afficiando who has owned plenty of 911's and not for the uninitiated/cack handed/realtively poor, i.e. me, don't write the 944 off as being boring as it just isn't, or maybe some of us arent quite ready for a fifty grand white knuckle ride just yet.
J4CKO said:
Great thing about the 944 is that mortals can afford it and the fact it is even being compared to something like this is high praise, it says a lot for my chances of getting something like this when a cheap LHD one is 30 grand. I guess a RHD model from a dealers is going to be fifty grand with the associated costs to run it.
For me a 944 made sense as I have a thing for well aged Pork and a tidy 944 cab is what I could afford and have a fighting chance of not binning in comparison to this, suspect it is one for the absolute afficiando who has owned plenty of 911's and not for the uninitiated/cack handed/realtively poor, i.e. me, don't write the 944 off as being boring as it just isn't, or maybe some of us arent quite ready for a fifty grand white knuckle ride just yet.
Driven, bought & sold countless Porsches. Trust me, a 944 is not even close to being anywhere near as good as even a base 964.......it just isn't. The best front engine Porsche was the 968, & i'd still take a base 964 over that. For me a 944 made sense as I have a thing for well aged Pork and a tidy 944 cab is what I could afford and have a fighting chance of not binning in comparison to this, suspect it is one for the absolute afficiando who has owned plenty of 911's and not for the uninitiated/cack handed/realtively poor, i.e. me, don't write the 944 off as being boring as it just isn't, or maybe some of us arent quite ready for a fifty grand white knuckle ride just yet.
thewheelman said:
Driven, bought & sold countless Porsches. Trust me, a 944 is not even close to being anywhere near as good as even a base 964.......it just isn't. The best front engine Porsche was the 968, & i'd still take a base 964 over that.
This is just hilariousWhat exactly makes the 968 the "best front engine Porsche"
cuneus said:
thewheelman said:
Driven, bought & sold countless Porsches. Trust me, a 944 is not even close to being anywhere near as good as even a base 964.......it just isn't. The best front engine Porsche was the 968, & i'd still take a base 964 over that.
This is just hilariousWhat exactly makes the 968 the "best front engine Porsche"
FWIW Joe911 and I were at Silverstone doing a track day a week before Christmas, it was cold and wet with a drying line just before lunch, I was in my 968 engined and transaxled lightweight 944, we were pretty evenly matched, but joe911 always had a substantial straight line speed advantage. We know each others driving pretty well as we've raced for several years in the same car, and he is a shade faster than me ( I put that down to my excessive weight and age ). So the two cars are well matched in adverse track conditions, but I don't think the four cylinder would be so close in dry conditions. However my car is probably worth £10K to sell, and has done five years of track days, a year of racing and taken me to a podium at Spa all on the same engine and transmission, has been driven within an inch of it's life by most of my friends, and has gone home broken once with a failed clutch plate ( the original it came with ). For the total joy of driving and value for money, nothing comes close.
Ravon - your car is much more balanced. That means you have much more confidence carrying speed into and through the corners. As you know an RS (in fact most 911's) are less good in the corners but have fantastic traction exiting the corners and romping down the straights.
What does your car weigh - it must be pretty light?
In proper wet conditions your car is majestic while most 911's are unguided missiles.
What does your car weigh - it must be pretty light?
In proper wet conditions your car is majestic while most 911's are unguided missiles.
Guffy said:
What's the power output and performance numbers?
Here's the old Autocar test0-100 12 seconds
Went out in one years back as a passenger - seemed a bit skittish on bumpy roads
Joe911, clearly my car is a lot, lot lighter than a stock 944/968, but sadly it's still pretty heavy, just under 1200kg I believe, unfortunately it was built before the practice of dipping shells was common. A car like our friend Nurburgsingh's would probably be 70-100 kg lighter again as his is a fresh build with all the accumulated knowledge of EMC Motorsport, to help with shell strengthening. However, being lucky enough to have my feet in both camps, you've really inspired me to get the old RS out the barn and start using it again, after all we both know when everything is right, nothing matches the satisfaction of a 964 RS on full chat, and in the right weather conditions and the right tyre temperatures their handling is blissful. See you on-track.
ravon said:
Joe911, clearly my car is a lot, lot lighter than a stock 944/968, but sadly it's still pretty heavy, just under 1200kg I believe, unfortunately it was built before the practice of dipping shells was common. A car like our friend Nurburgsingh's would probably be 70-100 kg lighter again as his is a fresh build with all the accumulated knowledge of EMC Motorsport, to help with shell strengthening. However, being lucky enough to have my feet in both camps, you've really inspired me to get the old RS out the barn and start using it again, after all we both know when everything is right, nothing matches the satisfaction of a 964 RS on full chat, and in the right weather conditions and the right tyre temperatures their handling is blissful. See you on-track.
I hope you and Joe911 can join us at Donington in the summer. 
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s m said:
Here's the old Autocar test
0-100 12 seconds
A standard 964 is 250 bhp - a 964RS is 260bhp.0-100 12 seconds
My car has the usual hot-wire air-mass sensor upgrade and was measured many years ago at 289bhp. Modest numbers compared to the modern cars - somehow though they seem to feel better than the numbers might suggest. Rose tinted specs, I guess
Joe911 said:
s m said:
Here's the old Autocar test
0-100 12 seconds
A standard 964 is 250 bhp - a 964RS is 260bhp.0-100 12 seconds
My car has the usual hot-wire air-mass sensor upgrade and was measured many years ago at 289bhp. Modest numbers compared to the modern cars - somehow though they seem to feel better than the numbers might suggest. Rose tinted specs, I guess
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