RE: Driven: Suzuki Swift Sport
Discussion
0-60 times eh? About as relevant as seeing how fast you can squeeze a turd out.
This figure is traditionally achieved by revving the nuts off the car and side-strepping the clutch. Nobody does it and nobody achieves it which is why an old American V8 auto will smoke you off the lights all day and every day.
I have never understood why people attach such significance to it and recall well that Ford used to ensure 60 was reached in 2nd to get an artificially quick time by eliminating a gearchange. Tractability is what you want and a lower-tuned engine usually achieves this more easily.
This figure is traditionally achieved by revving the nuts off the car and side-strepping the clutch. Nobody does it and nobody achieves it which is why an old American V8 auto will smoke you off the lights all day and every day.
I have never understood why people attach such significance to it and recall well that Ford used to ensure 60 was reached in 2nd to get an artificially quick time by eliminating a gearchange. Tractability is what you want and a lower-tuned engine usually achieves this more easily.
LuS1fer said:
0-60 times eh? About as relevant as seeing how fast you can squeeze a turd out.
This figure is traditionally achieved by revving the nuts off the car and side-strepping the clutch. Nobody does it and nobody achieves it which is why an old American V8 auto will smoke you off the lights all day and every day.
I have never understood why people attach such significance to it and recall well that Ford used to ensure 60 was reached in 2nd to get an artificially quick time by eliminating a gearchange. Tractability is what you want and a lower-tuned engine usually achieves this more easily.
When will people realise it the time taken to go from around 50 to 80 that is more important and the Swift is reasonably quick at doing soThis figure is traditionally achieved by revving the nuts off the car and side-strepping the clutch. Nobody does it and nobody achieves it which is why an old American V8 auto will smoke you off the lights all day and every day.
I have never understood why people attach such significance to it and recall well that Ford used to ensure 60 was reached in 2nd to get an artificially quick time by eliminating a gearchange. Tractability is what you want and a lower-tuned engine usually achieves this more easily.
BILL PAYER said:
LuS1fer said:
0-60 times eh? About as relevant as seeing how fast you can squeeze a turd out.
This figure is traditionally achieved by revving the nuts off the car and side-strepping the clutch. Nobody does it and nobody achieves it which is why an old American V8 auto will smoke you off the lights all day and every day.
I have never understood why people attach such significance to it and recall well that Ford used to ensure 60 was reached in 2nd to get an artificially quick time by eliminating a gearchange. Tractability is what you want and a lower-tuned engine usually achieves this more easily.
When will people realise it the time taken to go from around 50 to 80 that is more important and the Swift is reasonably quick at doing soThis figure is traditionally achieved by revving the nuts off the car and side-strepping the clutch. Nobody does it and nobody achieves it which is why an old American V8 auto will smoke you off the lights all day and every day.
I have never understood why people attach such significance to it and recall well that Ford used to ensure 60 was reached in 2nd to get an artificially quick time by eliminating a gearchange. Tractability is what you want and a lower-tuned engine usually achieves this more easily.
gmh23 said:
maybe PH could pioneer including 30-70mph times in a cars stats?
Both Motor and Autocar back in the day used to give 30-50 times in top which was entirely useless given some cars had 4 and others (rare) 5 speed boxes. They always gave the time for automatics in kickdown though, which was odd and therefore non-comparative (presumablt becasue sharp acceleration automatically invokes kickdown but why not do the manual cars through the gears...).LuS1fer said:
gmh23 said:
maybe PH could pioneer including 30-70mph times in a cars stats?
Both Motor and Autocar back in the day used to give 30-50 times in top which was entirely useless given some cars had 4 and others (rare) 5 speed boxes. They always gave the time for automatics in kickdown though, which was odd and therefore non-comparative (presumablt becasue sharp acceleration automatically invokes kickdown but why not do the manual cars through the gears...).hotmelt said:
It is not about performance. 4,5 stars in Evo prove it.
I get that, we've got a Swift and it has great handling and feedback through the controls. If only the engine had the same character I would love it. But it doesn't, it delivers mediocre performance and fuel consumption and doesn't reward excursions into the upper rev range despite the VVT.pah!!! suzuki cracked it 20years ago with the gti swift just didn't catch on because of price and you didn't get anything they went like stink then and still do. plus took a first gen sss and liked the car but the performance wasn't all that but here they a planning a turbo versions we'll see suzuki are definitely a manufacturer with alot of potential.
Caruso said:
get that, we've got a Swift and it has great handling and feedback through the controls. If only the engine had the same character I would love it. But it doesn't, it delivers mediocre performance and fuel consumption and doesn't reward excursions into the upper rev range despite the VVT.
I've got a Swift Sport, but think the performance is fine for a 1.6 engine. What figures are you expecting? For fuel consumption I get 35-40mpg.
Looks like much better value than a Mini to me.
Probably more reliable and cheaper to own too. One of my colleagues runs a Mini Cooper here. It's out of warranty and it seems like he's constantly having to shell out for all manner of things. Ventilation system, electric windows, gearbox the list seems never ending. Folks I know who've owned Suzuki's seem to have a much less troubled ownership experience.
Probably more reliable and cheaper to own too. One of my colleagues runs a Mini Cooper here. It's out of warranty and it seems like he's constantly having to shell out for all manner of things. Ventilation system, electric windows, gearbox the list seems never ending. Folks I know who've owned Suzuki's seem to have a much less troubled ownership experience.
Evoman said:
StevieB said:
I love this little car. We need more of this sort of thing. Tbh, this is the closest modern equivalent i can think of to our beloved 205 GTI, so if I was trading the old girl in (the car not the wife) for a modern, this is where my cash would go (If I could afford it).
Ah the SSS... SS7
MadDog1962 said:
Looks like much better value than a Mini to me.
Probably more reliable and cheaper to own too. One of my colleagues runs a Mini Cooper here. It's out of warranty and it seems like he's constantly having to shell out for all manner of things. Ventilation system, electric windows, gearbox the list seems never ending. Folks I know who've owned Suzuki's seem to have a much less troubled ownership experience.
Indeed, my mate and his business partner have used as learner driver cars to well over 100,000 miles each with very little, if anything, going wrong. On the other hand, a colleague's Cooper S must be one of the most unreliable cars around, and there is always something wrong with it, usually something to do with the throttle position sensor. Probably more reliable and cheaper to own too. One of my colleagues runs a Mini Cooper here. It's out of warranty and it seems like he's constantly having to shell out for all manner of things. Ventilation system, electric windows, gearbox the list seems never ending. Folks I know who've owned Suzuki's seem to have a much less troubled ownership experience.
The Japanese evidently still make them like they used to!
y2blade said:
I like to know, that was all 
nothing sinister
cracking little cars imho
Good-o! Just FYI: if you look at the story via the PH homepage, it always tells you who the author is, but for some reason it doesn't if you just pick up the story via the forums. Maybe one day we'll make it stop that... nothing sinister cracking little cars imho
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