RE: BMW M6 revealed

[dvs_dave]

130R said:

sjn2004 said:

Hasn't the Nissan GTR made this car obsolete? There is quite a performance gap and the Nissan is 25k less.

By that logic nobody would ever buy another Mercedes SL, Maserati, Jaguar XKR, Aston Martin Vantage ... I like the GTR a lot, and it is certainly very fast, but as a GT car it's not in the same league.

I think the GTR makes the coupe M6 already obsolete.

The soft top will appeal to a different customer, as does Maserati, Aston, and Jag. SL customers want the best of both so different again.

The M6 and GTR are both not very pretty, but very fast techno geek cars, of which the GTR will make the M6 look silly both performance and price wise.

[130R]

dvs_dave said:

The M6 and GTR are both not very pretty, but very fast techno geek cars, of which the GTR will make the M6 look silly both performance and price wise.

Compare the interior and ride of the M6 with the GTR. Also a GTR certainly won't make an M6 with 560hp look silly in a drag race once you take a standing start out of the equation, not much use for launch control on the autobahn. I think the M6 has just about enough power you'll need on UK roads ..

[Guibo]

Even in coupe form, the M6 will still be catering to a different market. Where the GT-R scores in performance, the M6 scores in ride. Where the GT-R scores in price, the M6 will score in overall refinement, quality, luxury, a long line of options for custom-tailoring. Then there is the more understated elegance. If price/performance is all that mattered, the GT-R should have made the 911 obsolete, yet even in its final years the 997 still outsold the GT-R by something like 5:1.

It's one thing to say "It's my opinion the car is overpriced," coming from the standpoint that I myself wouldn't spend that kind of money even if I had the money (which I surely don't). It's quite another to say that it's a flat out fact that BMW have overpriced this thing and haven't learned from their "mistake" with the E63 M6 (discounts given in a tanking economy aren't necessarily indicative of the car, on the whole, being overpriced). In the end, only the market will determine if this car is overpriced. If the old M6 with its peaky engine, abrupt SMG gearbox and more polarizing style could sell 14,000 units (which it did), then this one should not have too many problems selling.
Car enthusiasts tend to come at the value proposition from the view of outright ability: Is this car faster in 0-60 than that car? Is it faster around the Nurburgring? How many g's will it pull on a skidpad? Interesting points that no doubt spurs interweb forum debate and performance magazine sales but I think for people with a lot of money, such issues of outright ability are probably not so critical to their purchasing decision. It's entirely possible that the M6 customer will already have an M3, 911, and/or GT-R in his garage.

[peter450]

I guess it's the high performance machine for someone who does not like the attention an Aston, Lambo etc draw

[BlitzE34]

Why is the price shocking to anybody. The original M635CSI was £41K in the 1987 equivalent to £94K in todays money.

[Webber3]

E38Ross said:

i bet they like the cygnet

the price is NO surprise at all. M5 went from about 62k to 72k, 16% increase. M6 coupe was what, 80k? 80x1.16=basically 93k. how on earth does that surprise people?

The previous M6 convertible was always a £90k+ car with some options, it sounds like a lot of people on this thread weren't aware of that.

What surprises me is that BMW are increasing prices at all during this recession. Ferrari might be able to get away with it with their £200k 458, but I'm sure their sales are not as credit driven as BMW's are.

[dvs_dave]

130R said:

ompare the interior and ride of the M6 with the GTR. Also a GTR certainly won't make an M6 with 560hp look silly in a drag race once you take a standing start out of the equation, not much use for launch control on the autobahn. I think the M6 has just about enough power you'll need on UK roads ..

Absolutely, the M6 will have a far nicer interior. But so it should do for 25 grand more. Having said that a 635D with an M-sport body kit and wheels is 90% of what the M6 is, with the same interior. Hardly a 100k wow car is it?

With a GTR there's absolutely no mistaking it for what it is. There is only one model variant and that model is universally revered as one hell of a sports coupe. Also if the last M6 is anything to go by, the GTR will retain it value far better than the M6.

I think you would have to be a bit of a loon buy an M6 coupe for that money. Quite simply because there's better sports coupes and better GT's at that price point.

[911p]

Always loved the unusual looks of the 6 series, they've continued the marmite looks with this new model too.



With regards to the M6 vs GT-R argument, they do not have the same target audience at all. The M6 is a GT car which will happily sit you at very high speeds in massively high levels of comfort for hours on end - this is contrasted by the GT-R which is a raw performance car and would eat fuel and have far more road noise etc. As an A-B back road missile there is no contest, but on an autobahn I can't see the GT-R eating the M6 for breakfast any time soon.

Edited by 911p on Tuesday 14th February 02:02

[spud989]

E38Ross said:

spud989 said:

hilariously overpriced.

care to quote prices of 3 or 4 other competitors from different marques?

You'll find loads of chavved up Corsas in your local rag for a grand over book - just because lots of people think something is worth a set price doesn't mean it is.

M cars are not worth 100k. End of.

Why would you spend 100k on this when you could get a Vantage S? Lose a slight amount of bhp, but gain far more in style, interior, marque credential, etc. And save money! Arguing otherwise is simply nonsensical. And I speak as someone who drives an M! (Although, a much cheaper one, admittedly.)

[anonymous-user]

spud989 said:

E38Ross said:

spud989 said:

hilariously overpriced.

care to quote prices of 3 or 4 other competitors from different marques?

You'll find loads of chavved up Corsas in your local rag for a grand over book - just because lots of people think something is worth a set price doesn't mean it is.

M cars are not worth 100k. End of.

Why would you spend 100k on this when you could get a Vantage S? Lose a slight amount of bhp, but gain far more in style, interior, marque credential, etc. And save money! Arguing otherwise is simply nonsensical. And I speak as someone who drives an M! (Although, a much cheaper one, admittedly.)

End of? That's not what the customers think, is it? As others have said, BMW are hitting record sales (and presumably sales of the M range, too). So in the way that matters, clearly they they are worth it.

I agree if I were fortunate enough to have 100k to spend on a car I wouldn't buy one of these.

[E38Ross]

spud989 said:

E38Ross said:

spud989 said:

hilariously overpriced.

care to quote prices of 3 or 4 other competitors from different marques?

You'll find loads of chavved up Corsas in your local rag for a grand over book - just because lots of people think something is worth a set price doesn't mean it is.

M cars are not worth 100k. End of.

Why would you spend 100k on this when you could get a Vantage S? Lose a slight amount of bhp, but gain far more in style, interior, marque credential, etc. And save money! Arguing otherwise is simply nonsensical. And I speak as someone who drives an M! (Although, a much cheaper one, admittedly.)

Interior? After 12k miles my mates db9 needed the front seat reupholstering, the door shuts respraying, the stitching was rubbish and the radio cut out every hot daughter.

Guess we differ, i'd care more about what it's like as a variety rather than credentials to be honest.

[Dave Hedgehog]

911p said:

Always loved the unusual looks of the 6 series, they've continued the marmite looks with this new model too.



With regards to the M6 vs GT-R argument, they do not have the same target audience at all. The M6 is a GT car which will happily sit you at very high speeds in massively high levels of comfort for hours on end - this is contrasted by the GT-R which is a raw performance car and would eat fuel and have far more road noise etc. As an A-B back road missile there is no contest, but on an autobahn I can't see the GT-R eating the M6 for breakfast any time soon.

Edited by 911p on Tuesday 14th February 02:02

yep

the GTR whilst fearsomely fast and huge fun is very barry to look at, the M6 is gorgeous and classy

[Guibo]

dvs_dave said:

I think you would have to be a bit of a loon buy an M6 coupe for that money. Quite simply because there's better sports coupes and better GT's at that price point.

The same could be said of the old M6 and if you take that remark to its logical conclusion, there wouldn't have been 14000 M6s sold. A GT-R is a better car on paper specs than a 911. It's also better than an Audi R8. So...the only reason that a person might go for a 911 or R8 is because they have mental problems? That there are better (as defined by yourself) sports coupes and better GT's at that price point doesn't make the M6 overpriced. People buy cars for all kinds of reasons; surely you cannot refute that.

spud989 said:

M cars are not worth 100k. End of.

How can it be "end of?" The first car hasn't even touched dealer showrooms yet. If the M6 meets sales projections, then by the various capitalistic concepts of supply vs demand, it will have been worth it.

[Carfolio]

Dave Hedgehog said:

yep

the GTR whilst fearsomely fast and huge fun is very barry to look at, the M6 is gorgeous and classy

That could very well be subjective.

[SWoll]

E38Ross said:

Interior? After 12k miles my mates db9 needed the front seat reupholstering, the door shuts respraying, the stitching was rubbish and the radio cut out every hot daughter.

Don't you just hate radio's that do that?

Nice car, but £100K does seem like strong money when you consider some of the opposition. Good overall package though.

Likely to be a bit of a bargain at 2-3 years old.

Carfolio said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

yep

the GTR whilst fearsomely fast and huge fun is very barry to look at, the M6 is gorgeous and classy

That could very well be subjective.

Agree completely. I think you'll find a lot of people have the very same opinion about the M6. M cars aren't exacty known for their subtlety are they?

[jbi]

The GTR is resoundingly modest in it's appearance IMO.

Here is a comparison by autocar of the M5 vs the GTR

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/bmw-m5-vs-nissa...

[E38Ross]

SWoll said:

E38Ross said:

Interior? After 12k miles my mates db9 needed the front seat reupholstering, the door shuts respraying, the stitching was rubbish and the radio cut out every hot daughter.

Don't you just hate radio's that do that?

Nice car, but £100K does seem like strong money when you consider some of the opposition. Good overall package though.

Likely to be a bit of a bargain at 2-3 years old.

Carfolio said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

yep

the GTR whilst fearsomely fast and huge fun is very barry to look at, the M6 is gorgeous and classy

That could very well be subjective.

Agree completely. I think you'll find a lot of people have the very same opinion about the M6. M cars aren't exacty known for their subtlety are they?

DOH! Damn HTC, I meant it cut out every hot day lol.

If you take it on paper the M6 isn't overpriced, it undercuts the db9 by some margin yet in anything other than subjective things at least it's better by some margin.

[Zod]

If you compare it with the DB9, you just don't get it. I used to be like that too.

As for quality, my DB9 was immaculate at 15k miles.

[MitchT]

Love the looks, but four cylinders too few and two turbos too many in my opinion. Sign of the times, I know, but really, what kind of person who's spending the thick end of £100k on a car, which is primarily indulgent, gives a rat's ass about fuel economy?

[r11co]

Yawn.

Another halo BMW.

The car itself is one degree less out of step with the world than its predecessor but equally as irrelevant except as a masturbatory aid for car magazine readers.