RE: BMW M6 revealed
Discussion
911p said:
Always loved the unusual looks of the 6 series, they've continued the marmite looks with this new model too.
With regards to the M6 vs GT-R argument, they do not have the same target audience at all. The M6 is a GT car which will happily sit you at very high speeds in massively high levels of comfort for hours on end - this is contrasted by the GT-R which is a raw performance car and would eat fuel and have far more road noise etc. As an A-B back road missile there is no contest, but on an autobahn I can't see the GT-R eating the M6 for breakfast any time soon.
but then you could argue that the BMW 640d makes the M6 irrelevant. As a Autobahn-stormer, the 640d covers 95% of the performance that the M6 can offer but would use far less fuel (therefore travel further on one tank), is probably a more comfortable cruiser, costs less to buy and as a percentage would retain more of its initial purchase value.With regards to the M6 vs GT-R argument, they do not have the same target audience at all. The M6 is a GT car which will happily sit you at very high speeds in massively high levels of comfort for hours on end - this is contrasted by the GT-R which is a raw performance car and would eat fuel and have far more road noise etc. As an A-B back road missile there is no contest, but on an autobahn I can't see the GT-R eating the M6 for breakfast any time soon.
Edited by 911p on Tuesday 14th February 02:02
However, thank goodness for us petrolheads, there are people out there that do not think so rationally when purchasing a car – they are in the market for a big coupé, they want a BMW, and not a Nissan, and they only want the best and fastest there is, regardless whether there is a more "sensible" purchase option. And long-live these people...
MitchT said:
..... but really, what kind of person who's spending the thick end of £100k on a car, which is primarily indulgent, gives a rat's ass about fuel economy?
Probably quite true, but BMW (and BMW M) needs to show to the technocrats in Brussels and Greenpeace that it is trying doing its bit.Interestingly, I was told by a friend of mine, who works in a marketing research agency, that the sort of people BMW (and Jag, MB, Audi... etc) wants to attract to drive these sorts of cars, the trend setters (i.e. famous people), do not want to be seen driving around in something that could be seen as overtly bad for the environment. Stupidity, but that seems to be the way it is.
r11co said:
Zod said:
I think you found your way here by accident. What Car? probably has a forum you'd like.
Don't think so.The M6 has two problems - the M5 and Aston Martin.
That is why I said it was irrelevant. You sir jumped to conclusions.
aston's good comp for the M6, but at that sort of money its more about taste and choice than anything else. I would have an M6, but that's my preference, I am sure others would plump for an Aston or a hot 911..
r11co said:
Zod said:
I think you found your way here by accident. What Car? probably has a forum you'd like.
Don't think so.The M6 has two problems - the M5 and Aston Martin.
That is why I said it was irrelevant. You sir jumped to conclusions.
Carfolio said:
Kong said:
Why not?
Really?But this is a bit like the supercar/hypercar argument, much of it is to do with opinions.
How much more rare and expensive than the next model down does it have to be to class it as a 'halo' car? Is there a formula? To some people the Focus RS is Fords halo car.
I'm not saying it necessarily is or isn't btw, just asking.
Kong said:
Well I understand the concept of a 'Halo' model, that they need to be rare and expensive to promote the brand.
But this is a bit like the supercar/hypercar argument, much of it is to do with opinions.
How much more rare and expensive than the next model down does it have to be to class it as a 'halo' car? Is there a formula? To some people the Focus RS is Fords halo car.
I'm not saying it necessarily is or isn't btw, just asking.
It needs to be in a different league - power wise and price - to the other models. It needs to be really exclusive. I would suggest it would need to be strictly a 2 seater (although I will concede that that is more subjective than the 2 previous points). But this is a bit like the supercar/hypercar argument, much of it is to do with opinions.
How much more rare and expensive than the next model down does it have to be to class it as a 'halo' car? Is there a formula? To some people the Focus RS is Fords halo car.
I'm not saying it necessarily is or isn't btw, just asking.
I have never read a more stupid comment than this – the GTR makes the M6 obsolete
For a start they aren’t even competitors but even if they were, it still a ridiculous statement
Going by that stupid logic then – something like an EVO X FQ360 makes nearly ALL Mercedes c classes, Audi A4, jax XF;s Audi A6, Merc E class and S class, even most Bentleys etc all obsolete – as its faster and cheaper
And then say if a 320d is faster and cheaper than a C220d, or even an E220d or 520d, A6 2.0 TDi – the 320d makes all those cars obsolete – because it’s cheaper and faster [and they are all 4 door saloons]
And something like a Meganne RS 265 makes a every car that slower and more expensive than it ‘obsolete’, i.e. golf GTi and every car like that is totally obsolete, the Meganne would also make most 3 Series, C classes and Audi A4’s obsolete
And as previous people stated the GTR makes ALL Porsches, Jags, Bentley, most Ferraris, Merc's, BMW, Audi, etc obsolete?
I could go on and on but you get my drift – saying the GTR makes the M6 obselete is a completely idiotic statement
You could apply the same logic to houses – if you have house a costs says 200k and has 5 bedrooms – so its makes house B with 4 bedrooms that cost 250k totally obsolete as it’s bigger and cheaper – end of story. There are different factors people take into account when purchasing anything, it’s not pure measurements and price
For a start they aren’t even competitors but even if they were, it still a ridiculous statement
Going by that stupid logic then – something like an EVO X FQ360 makes nearly ALL Mercedes c classes, Audi A4, jax XF;s Audi A6, Merc E class and S class, even most Bentleys etc all obsolete – as its faster and cheaper
And then say if a 320d is faster and cheaper than a C220d, or even an E220d or 520d, A6 2.0 TDi – the 320d makes all those cars obsolete – because it’s cheaper and faster [and they are all 4 door saloons]
And something like a Meganne RS 265 makes a every car that slower and more expensive than it ‘obsolete’, i.e. golf GTi and every car like that is totally obsolete, the Meganne would also make most 3 Series, C classes and Audi A4’s obsolete
And as previous people stated the GTR makes ALL Porsches, Jags, Bentley, most Ferraris, Merc's, BMW, Audi, etc obsolete?
I could go on and on but you get my drift – saying the GTR makes the M6 obselete is a completely idiotic statement
You could apply the same logic to houses – if you have house a costs says 200k and has 5 bedrooms – so its makes house B with 4 bedrooms that cost 250k totally obsolete as it’s bigger and cheaper – end of story. There are different factors people take into account when purchasing anything, it’s not pure measurements and price
D200 said:
I have never read a more stupid comment than this – the GTR makes the M6 obsolete
For a start they aren’t even competitors but even if they were, it still a ridiculous statement
Going by that stupid logic then – something like an EVO X FQ360 makes nearly ALL Mercedes c classes, Audi A4, jax XF;s Audi A6, Merc E class and S class, even most Bentleys etc all obsolete – as its faster and cheaper
And then say if a 320d is faster and cheaper than a C220d, or even an E220d or 520d, A6 2.0 TDi – the 320d makes all those cars obsolete – because it’s cheaper and faster [and they are all 4 door saloons]
And something like a Meganne RS 265 makes a every car that slower and more expensive than it ‘obsolete’, i.e. golf GTi and every car like that is totally obsolete, the Meganne would also make most 3 Series, C classes and Audi A4’s obsolete
And as previous people stated the GTR makes ALL Porsches, Jags, Bentley, most Ferraris, Merc's, BMW, Audi, etc obsolete?
I could go on and on but you get my drift – saying the GTR makes the M6 obselete is a completely idiotic statement
You could apply the same logic to houses – if you have house a costs says 200k and has 5 bedrooms – so its makes house B with 4 bedrooms that cost 250k totally obsolete as it’s bigger and cheaper – end of story. There are different factors people take into account when purchasing anything, it’s not pure measurements and price
For a start they aren’t even competitors but even if they were, it still a ridiculous statement
Going by that stupid logic then – something like an EVO X FQ360 makes nearly ALL Mercedes c classes, Audi A4, jax XF;s Audi A6, Merc E class and S class, even most Bentleys etc all obsolete – as its faster and cheaper
And then say if a 320d is faster and cheaper than a C220d, or even an E220d or 520d, A6 2.0 TDi – the 320d makes all those cars obsolete – because it’s cheaper and faster [and they are all 4 door saloons]
And something like a Meganne RS 265 makes a every car that slower and more expensive than it ‘obsolete’, i.e. golf GTi and every car like that is totally obsolete, the Meganne would also make most 3 Series, C classes and Audi A4’s obsolete
And as previous people stated the GTR makes ALL Porsches, Jags, Bentley, most Ferraris, Merc's, BMW, Audi, etc obsolete?
I could go on and on but you get my drift – saying the GTR makes the M6 obselete is a completely idiotic statement
You could apply the same logic to houses – if you have house a costs says 200k and has 5 bedrooms – so its makes house B with 4 bedrooms that cost 250k totally obsolete as it’s bigger and cheaper – end of story. There are different factors people take into account when purchasing anything, it’s not pure measurements and price
Most sensible post so far. People like different things. Ideally i'd want a car which looks like a Jag, has the Prestige and soundtrack of the Aston has the quality of the Merc, refinement of the Bentley, Technology of the M6 and the speed of a GTR. That car doesn't exist so choose which criteria is most important to you. MitchT said:
what kind of person who's spending the thick end of £100k on a car, which is primarily indulgent, gives a rat's ass about fuel economy?
Plenty. From all real-world accounts the S85 uses a stupid amount of fuel. It might not be a big deal if you're driving in town every day and can just brim it every week whilst ignoring the 7 mpg, but it's a big pain if you actually want to go anywhere and have to stop for petrol every 170 miles.Why is the 4.4 TDV8 Range Rover so much more popular than the 5.0 petrol?
Trommel said:
Why is the 4.4 TDV8 Range Rover so much more popular than the 5.0 petrol?
The diesel is more pleasant to drive due to it's higher torque value and there is simply the convenience of filling it up less frequently.If the petrol displaced another 1000cc it would probably be a better bet IMO
Munich said:
but then you could argue that the BMW 640d makes the M6 irrelevant. As a Autobahn-stormer, the 640d covers 95% of the performance that the M6 can offer but would use far less fuel (therefore travel further on one tank), is probably a more comfortable cruiser, costs less to buy and as a percentage would retain more of its initial purchase value.
But in markets that don't need a diesel, I'm thinking the US and China this will do extremely well, an example is the X6M in the US. Autocar stated that it's selling so well that they have delayed the launch of the hybrid. Some of these cars may not stack up in the UK but do in other larger markets.
MitchT said:
what kind of person who's spending the thick end of £100k on a car, which is primarily indulgent, gives a rat's ass about fuel economy?
Everyone places overemphasis on MPG weather they are rich or poor. Look how many 'What diesel?' threads we see oh PH from people who dont need one. I know people who have financed brand new diesels to 'save them money' despite only driving 1 mile per day!Having to spend less time at the pumps is certainly a big plus point to many though.
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