RE: Driven: BMW 335i
Discussion
So if it yeilded only 28mpg from a 335i then its probably fair to say a 320d on the same trip wouldnt have been busting economy records and would probably return a reasonable 40mpg or so.
So what we are saying then is that you'll lose about 25% of fuel economy in return for dropping the 4 cylinder dagdag and replacing it with a 3 litre inline six petrol turbo.
Fantastic. Best car in the range surely? Where is the downside?
So what we are saying then is that you'll lose about 25% of fuel economy in return for dropping the 4 cylinder dagdag and replacing it with a 3 litre inline six petrol turbo.
Fantastic. Best car in the range surely? Where is the downside?
Fox- said:
So if it yeilded only 28mpg from a 335i then its probably fair to say a 320d on the same trip wouldnt have been busting economy records and would probably return a reasonable 40mpg or so.
So what we are saying then is that you'll lose about 25% of fuel economy in return for dropping the 4 cylinder dagdag and replacing it with a 3 litre inline six petrol turbo.
Fantastic. Best car in the range surely? Where is the downside?
i suspect that 28mpg covers some rather enthusiastic driving too So what we are saying then is that you'll lose about 25% of fuel economy in return for dropping the 4 cylinder dagdag and replacing it with a 3 litre inline six petrol turbo.
Fantastic. Best car in the range surely? Where is the downside?
there was a reason the speedo was photoshopped out, you know 
i think considering that, 28mpg seems very good for a 300bhp reasonably heavy car to be honest. i reckon you'd get well into the 30's if driven normally.
Riggers: "My conclusion? It pains me to say this, but the Twinpower six is feeling a bit old these days. Its four-cylinder petrol and diesel brethren are so efficient, and sufficiently powerful, as to make the big six almost an irrelevance, especially on a long trip like this, where even a perfectly respectable 28-and-a-bit mpg just seems a bit too thirsty. Unless you really crave that six-cylinder yowl, it's hard to make a convincing logical case for the 335i."
Riggers - get your coat man! How can one of the world's most advanced 6 cylinder engines feels "a bit old"? I think what you really meant to say is that its one of the last bastions of hope for us petrolheads - swimming against the tide of diesel and 4 cylinder oppression forced on us by enviro-political governments. I for one think the N55 twin power turbo six is fantastically efficient considering it offers up 306bhp and 300lb/ft of torque. There are some 2.0 turbo engines that struggle to make these economy figures (step fwd Megane 250 which typically averages 25-26 mpg). Long may the 6 cylinder continue.
Riggers - get your coat man! How can one of the world's most advanced 6 cylinder engines feels "a bit old"? I think what you really meant to say is that its one of the last bastions of hope for us petrolheads - swimming against the tide of diesel and 4 cylinder oppression forced on us by enviro-political governments. I for one think the N55 twin power turbo six is fantastically efficient considering it offers up 306bhp and 300lb/ft of torque. There are some 2.0 turbo engines that struggle to make these economy figures (step fwd Megane 250 which typically averages 25-26 mpg). Long may the 6 cylinder continue.
doogz said:
steve_n said:
For what? There was never a problem with space in a 3 series.
I'd rather have hydraulic and 2mpg less any day but the emissions regulations seem to be strangling anything conducive to fun.
Dunno. Whatever.I'd rather have hydraulic and 2mpg less any day but the emissions regulations seem to be strangling anything conducive to fun.
2 turbos and a s
tload of pipework maybe?I wasn't defending BMW's choice here, just an observation about electric PS systems.
I believe the very original 335i's had twin turbo's but BMW dropped them in favour of twin scroll (often called twin entry) turbo.
Regarding 6 Vs 4 - why the hell has no one, not one person mentioned the science?
Straight 6 engines offer the best balance of any engine configuration offering the smoothest operation. This is why BMW have built a reputation over the decades of putting straight sixes in their cars.
As some one who went from various 4 bangers to an E46 330 I can assure you everything about a straight 6 is better than a 4.
Ha, I am actually glad that BMW developed the 328i... Ever since I had an E30 M3 and a E30 320iS I have lusted for the return of a powerful and light four banger up-front. While the I6 sounds good, I am yet to drive another BMW, which turned in with the same gusto as my E30s. Oh, and another thing - £50k for a non-M 3-series... Mwahahaha...
PHMatt said:
If you bought one for £37k you'd have quite possibly the least desirable second hand F30 335 available. It would depreciate faster than a specc'd model and be harder to sell.
It would also be pretty crap. Why buy a premium car without toys?
The standard spec is very generous, its not poverty spec. Sure there is stuff you would spec but not really 13k of stuff.It would also be pretty crap. Why buy a premium car without toys?
Output Flange said:
..and least fuel efficient versus the performance on offer.
You're not wrong. The 2 litre straight six in my old E39 520i sounds great and is still creamy smooth after 181k miles, but with just 150bhp it struggles to average 28mpg as it requires foot to the floor on far too many occasions.That BMW now have a 300bhp six that has better economy and oodles more performance is pretty cool in my book.
Much prefer the trim in this test car. Is that "Luxury" or "modern"? Whatever, it's much more tasteful than the 80's-fest redlined "Sport" trim.
Can't wait to see one of these in the metal
You can't blame manufacturers for making cars bigger and heavier.
If they didnt get bigger they'd have less and less space inside because of all the rules and regs forcing them to fit impact beams, crumple zones, airbags etc etc etc etc into the structures of the cars.
With all of the above you get weight gains.
Throw in the publics demand for luxury and you end up with big heavy cars.
It's hardly BMW's fault that they get told to do all these things by their governers and customers.
If they didnt get bigger they'd have less and less space inside because of all the rules and regs forcing them to fit impact beams, crumple zones, airbags etc etc etc etc into the structures of the cars.
With all of the above you get weight gains.
Throw in the publics demand for luxury and you end up with big heavy cars.
It's hardly BMW's fault that they get told to do all these things by their governers and customers.
Fox- said:
It's £37k and loaded with a pile of options most people wouldnt tick anyway.
You can get a 118d to £40k if you wish, doesnt mean that 118d's actually cost £40k.
Either way, IMHO not worth that sort of money.You can get a 118d to £40k if you wish, doesnt mean that 118d's actually cost £40k.
Rather invest that into a concours E30 M3 - something that will NOT depreciate the way this will.
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