RE: Porsche Macan confirmed

[lgomgf]

Just to tease the Porsche fan club... Cayennes are made in Slovakia, just outside of Bratislava...

[beasto]

Looks quite nice in a big-wheel Tonka Toy sort of way.

Mind you, reality will doubtless be grisly if its big brother is anything to go by.

[Justices]

Ferrari stick with numbers for most of their cars for a good reason. No international issues.

[Mermaid]

Justices said:

Ferrari stick with numbers for most of their cars for a good reason. No international issues.

& BMW, Peugeot, Mercedes (some exceptions)

[Richard A]

Mermaid said:

Justices said:

Ferrari stick with numbers for most of their cars for a good reason. No international issues.

& BMW, Peugeot, Mercedes (some exceptions)

Well, I wasn't going to comment on this thread, because I've made my bed with air cooled Porsches and I get a lot of pleasure lying in it, i.e. Porsche can do what they like nowadays. But, yes, I've often pondered why Porsche's marketing department naffed out with their current jumble of names. I would have thought that mature, 'technical' numbers would have been better for Porche's image, even with today's range.

[Mermaid]

Richard A said:

Mermaid said:

Justices said:

Ferrari stick with numbers for most of their cars for a good reason. No international issues.

& BMW, Peugeot, Mercedes (some exceptions)

Well, I wasn't going to comment on this thread, because I've made my bed with air cooled Porsches and I get a lot of pleasure lying in it, i.e. Porsche can do what they like nowadays. But, yes, I've often pondered why Porsche's marketing department naffed out with their current jumble of names. I would have thought that mature, 'technical' numbers would have been better for Porche's image, even with today's range.

And how that aircooled was supposed to be the 901:

Porsche 901 was the name originally intended for the Porsche 911.
By the early 1960s, Porsche project design numbers had reached into the 19th century. For instance, Porsche's 1962 F1 model was called Porsche 804.
At the Internationale Automobil-Ausstellung (Frankfurt Motor Show) in Frankfurt in September 1963, Porsche presented its successor to the Porsche 356 as the 901. It took several more months until the cars were manufactured for sale to customers. Between 14 September and 16 November 1964, 82 cars were built [1] and the 901 was presented in October at the 1964 Paris Auto Salon. There, French car maker Peugeot objected to Porsche using any three digit number where the middle number was 0, asserting ownership of the naming rights in key markets, and having already sold many models with that scheme.
So, Porsche simply replaced the middle 0 with a 1, and called the car Porsche 911. Officially the 901s already constructed were used for testing and for exhibitions, and Porsche sold none to private customers.[1] Nevertheless, several of the cars retained by Porsche at that time appear to have made it to private ownership subsequently: in 2010 it was reported that car number 37 was owned by a Porsche specialist named Alois Ruf.[1]
Also, other Porsche models were affected, which were primarily intended for racing but also sold as road legal cars. Here, Porsche kept the internal part number of 90x, but sold the car with a name, like
Porsche 904 as Carrera GTS
Porsche 906 as Carrera 6.
Porsche enthusiasts continue to refer to these cars by their three digit design numbers.
Later, Porsche introduced pure racing cars which were not sold for road use, so not competing with any road-going Peugeot. These carried the design numbers
Porsche 907
Porsche 908
Porsche 909
Nearly three decades later, a 905 was entered in the 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans, but not by Porsche (which then had won over a dozen times already), but by Peugeot: The Peugeot 905 won twice, in 1992 and in 1993. A Peugeot 908 HDi FAP Diesel was entered in the 2008 event, and won in 2009. Peugeot never used the number 901, though.
Additionally, the 901 number is used among Porsche enthusiasts as shorthand to identify the aluminum 5-Speed transmission used in early 911s, the part number for these transmissions used an 11 digit code that began with 901 as did many other parts on the early cars. Later 911s from 1969 used a different magnesium case and a part number beginning with 911.

[ForzaWhitesGen2]

lgomgf said:

Just to tease the Porsche fan club... Cayennes are made in Slovakia, just outside of Bratislava...

Not exactly, the core body shells are... they are then put on a train to the factory in Leipzig.......

Engines are shipped up from Zuffenhausen and the whole thing assembled there. No different to many other
manufacturers....

I've spent a day or two in Leipzig driving the cayenne off road on the old army base.....

[hairyben]

I can't take the porsche SUV seriously, it'd have been better if they'd given it it's own style, but as it's a comic 911 every time I see one I get an image of family guy's peter griffin in a childs toy 911 going "look at me lois! I'm driving a porsche! look at me!"

[Kawasicki]

Another people carrier from Porsche. Maybe Porsche should consider front wheel drive hatchbacks. There is a lot of money to me made, it would just need to be given the Porsche flavour.

[will261058]

This could be the best looking Porche of recent times

[Wills2]

hairyben said:

I can't take the porsche SUV seriously, it'd have been better if they'd given it it's own style, but as it's a comic 911 every time I see one I get an image of family guy's peter griffin in a childs toy 911 going "look at me lois! I'm driving a porsche! look at me!"

Have you driven one?

Watch this it will show you how capable a Porsche SUV is.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/porsche-cayenne...

[ForzaWhitesGen2]

I have driven various Land Rovers in the UK, Norway, Germany and the Oman... where sadly they came unstuck. I'm personally not into 4 x 4 or SUV's or whatever the fashionable name is....

But....I've driven the Cayenne, old and new, it is very very capable....

Image yep, agree with most of the comments on here, but no different than the 'image' of the RR Sport brigade, or even worse, the ML lot...

[Johnboy Mac]

SUV, sport utility vehicle. I can never help but smile when I see that tag. It sounds like punters don't really know what they want, so the clever marketing guys & gals invented it.

[ZesPak]

Johnboy Mac said:

SUV, sport utility vehicle. I can never help but smile when I see that tag. It sounds like punters don't really know what they want, so the clever marketing guys & gals invented it.

I found the term SUV ok, I always thought that the "Sport" didn't refer to the vehicle, but to the "utilities", like when you go surfing or skiing/snowboarding, the boards and skis are Sports Utilities . And the vehicle would be suitable because it can handle a bit of sand/mud/snow as it has a bit of ground clearance and 4x4.
However the SUV's that are distinctively 2WD are just a lifestyle statement, as, imho, they offer nothing over a similar people carrier.

Does that make sense in any way?

[Kawasicki]

Wills2 said:

hairyben said:

I can't take the porsche SUV seriously, it'd have been better if they'd given it it's own style, but as it's a comic 911 every time I see one I get an image of family guy's peter griffin in a childs toy 911 going "look at me lois! I'm driving a porsche! look at me!"

Have you driven one?

Watch this it will show you how capable a Porsche SUV is.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/porsche-cayenne...

OK, so the video showed a people carrier, sorry SUV, which was slower than a sports car with way less power and torque. What's your point?

[Johnboy Mac]

ZesPak said:

I found the term SUV ok, I always thought that the "Sport" didn't refer to the vehicle, but to the "utilities", like when you go surfing or skiing/snowboarding, the boards and skis are Sports Utilities . And the vehicle would be suitable because it can handle a bit of sand/mud/snow as it has a bit of ground clearance and 4x4.
However the SUV's that are distinctively 2WD are just a lifestyle statement, as, imho, they offer nothing over a similar people carrier.

Does that make sense in any way?

Indeed it does. I do agree the 'sport' does actually refer to activities rather than the vehicle, or it did. Don't me started on the 2wd versions, the only thing there are good for is the higher driving position, nothing more.

[ForzaWhitesGen2]

Johnboy Mac said:

Indeed it does. I do agree the 'sport' does actually refer to activities rather than the vehicle, or it did. Don't me started on the 2wd versions, the only thing there are good for is the higher driving position, nothing more.

I can do those activities, indeed sporting activities with my car. Wake boarding, Climbing (rock & mixed) and skiing.... all done using my car as the vehicle.... does that make it a sporting utility car??

[Johnboy Mac]

ForzaWhitesGen2 said:

I can do those activities, indeed sporting activities with my car. Wake boarding, Climbing (rock & mixed) and skiing.... all done using my car as the vehicle.... does that make it a sporting utility car??

No not really, for several reasons. As an example, your car ain't ugly, over priced nor I presume constantly badly parked near a school or in supermarket car park.

[ZesPak]

ForzaWhitesGen2 said:

I can do those activities, indeed sporting activities with my car. Wake boarding, Climbing (rock & mixed) and skiing.... all done using my car as the vehicle.... does that make it a sporting utility car??

I once got my 307 through a field, does that makes it an off roader?
Oh, and we got 7 people in an ibiza, making it a people carrier?

Johnboy Mac said:

No not really, for several reasons. As an example, your car ain't ugly, over priced nor I presume constantly badly parked near a school or in supermarket car park.

All these things are said in jest, but I agree for a big part. Though before they were "mainstream", a lot of them actually served a purpose for some people. I for example have a cousin that is a vet. She often needs to go on the land of farmers, and her Volvo XC70 struggled, so she needed something a bit higher up but doesn't need something huge and didn't want to travel hundereds of miles in a real off roader. So a 4x4 suv serves her great.

Edited by ZesPak on Monday 20th February 11:59

[jackal]

Kawasicki said:

Wills2 said:

hairyben said:

I can't take the porsche SUV seriously, it'd have been better if they'd given it it's own style, but as it's a comic 911 every time I see one I get an image of family guy's peter griffin in a childs toy 911 going "look at me lois! I'm driving a porsche! look at me!"

Have you driven one?

Watch this it will show you how capable a Porsche SUV is.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/porsche-cayenne...

OK, so the video showed a people carrier, sorry SUV, which was slower than a sports car with way less power and torque. What's your point?

The point is that it's quicker than all the cars you've previously owned. Quicker than you're bike too. Even the old basic NA model is quicker than all the cars in your profile.


Don't knock it till you've tried it. The Cayenne is an incredible machine, wonderful to drive and just about the best real world all purpose transport money can buy.