RE: PH Blog: Audi calls a truce
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The new model may have 450bhp on paper but if its anything like the old 414bhp engine it wont take long for the power to disappear. Is this issue sorted on the newer engines?
Work mate owns a RS4 and he lives round the corner from me. I have to say i love hearing it start up in the morning and personnaly i think it wins hands down over the m3's v8 for sound.
Work mate owns a RS4 and he lives round the corner from me. I have to say i love hearing it start up in the morning and personnaly i think it wins hands down over the m3's v8 for sound.
dukebox9reg said:
The new model may have 450bhp on paper but if its anything like the old 414bhp engine it wont take long for the power to disappear. Is this issue sorted on the newer engines?
Work mate owns a RS4 and he lives round the corner from me. I have to say i love hearing it start up in the morning and personnaly i think it wins hands down over the m3's v8 for sound.
not sure about the coke build up issue; the "new" engine is, i believe, actually the same engine as the last one, just tuned a bit further. i'd be surprised if Audi haven't sorted it, but who knows. time will tell i suppose. Work mate owns a RS4 and he lives round the corner from me. I have to say i love hearing it start up in the morning and personnaly i think it wins hands down over the m3's v8 for sound.
the last RS4 had a few problems but my mates has yet to actually break down; coming up for 80k miles now but he's had his niggles all done under warranty. that included the coke build up, replacement of all shock absorbers (not sure about springs) and a few other bits but nothing else as major as those 2.
i personally prefer the M3 engine noise, it's much higher pitched a more of a screamer; whereas the RS4 is more deep/bassy. love them both, mind. never been in an RS4 saloon, just the avant and love it. did almost 700 miles in a single day in it once.
A friend of mine has a current S4 Avant. He has been waiting for the RS4 to come out, just looking for an excuse to quote bhp figures at me and rave about how mental it will be and then buy it - because iots the latest fast Audi. I sent him the RS4 story when it hit PH and the silence has been deafening. There must be a bunch of Audi nuts looking at spec sheets shuffling nervously, wondering what exactly they will have to rave about, now that they have to entertain the thought that massive, dull hp does not maketh a sports car. No headline bhp figures = no headlines. At all. Scary.
ETA: On the way to the pub last week, he blasted down the local by-pass to show me how "awesome" his S4 is. On the way home, I demanded that he take the S shaped off-ramp at no less than 55mph, or he was simply a massive ghey. He didnt manage it. I did it yesterday in an Astra.
The fast Audi owner summed up. As long as its the fastest estate on the bypass, they're happy as a pig in s
t. Actual driving is for paupers.Edited by Reardy Mister on Monday 20th February 14:03
Reardy Mister said:
ETA: On the way to the pub last week, he blasted down the local by-pass to show me how "awesome" his S4 is. On the way home, I demanded that he take the S shaped off-ramp at no less than 55mph, or he was simply a massive ghey. He didnt manage it. I did it yesterday in an Astra.
The fast Audi owner summed up. As long as its the fastest estate on the bypass, they're happy as a pig in st. Actual driving is for paupers.
Cool story Bro.The fast Audi owner summed up. As long as its the fastest estate on the bypass, they're happy as a pig in s
t. Actual driving is for paupers.Mermaid said:
Power race is not over...
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
Fezza have just invaded poland lolhttp://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
Reardy Mister said:
A friend of mine has a current S4 Avant. He has been waiting for the RS4 to come out, just looking for an excuse to quote bhp figures at me and rave about how mental it will be and then buy it - because iots the latest fast Audi. I sent him the RS4 story when it hit PH and the silence has been deafening. There must be a bunch of Audi nuts looking at spec sheets shuffling nervously, wondering what exactly they will have to rave about, now that they have to entertain the thought that massive, dull hp does not maketh a sports car. No headline bhp figures = no headlines. At all. Scary.
ETA: On the way to the pub last week, he blasted down the local by-pass to show me how "awesome" his S4 is. On the way home, I demanded that he take the S shaped off-ramp at no less than 55mph, or he was simply a massive ghey. He didnt manage it. I did it yesterday in an Astra.
The fast Audi owner summed up. As long as its the fastest estate on the bypass, they're happy as a pig in st. Actual driving is for paupers.
YEAH! I pity the Audi driving fools wandering what they can brag about now the new RS4 only has a 450 bhp V8. They have been, like, OWNED.ETA: On the way to the pub last week, he blasted down the local by-pass to show me how "awesome" his S4 is. On the way home, I demanded that he take the S shaped off-ramp at no less than 55mph, or he was simply a massive ghey. He didnt manage it. I did it yesterday in an Astra.
The fast Audi owner summed up. As long as its the fastest estate on the bypass, they're happy as a pig in s
t. Actual driving is for paupers.Edited by Reardy Mister on Monday 20th February 14:03
And all REAL drivers drive snotters yeah. I hear you bro.
God I wish I was as simple as you.
Edited by Maldini35 on Monday 20th February 23:28
Maldini35 said:
Reardy Mister said:
A friend of mine has a current S4 Avant. He has been waiting for the RS4 to come out, just looking for an excuse to quote bhp figures at me and rave about how mental it will be and then buy it - because iots the latest fast Audi. I sent him the RS4 story when it hit PH and the silence has been deafening. There must be a bunch of Audi nuts looking at spec sheets shuffling nervously, wondering what exactly they will have to rave about, now that they have to entertain the thought that massive, dull hp does not maketh a sports car. No headline bhp figures = no headlines. At all. Scary.
ETA: On the way to the pub last week, he blasted down the local by-pass to show me how "awesome" his S4 is. On the way home, I demanded that he take the S shaped off-ramp at no less than 55mph, or he was simply a massive ghey. He didnt manage it. I did it yesterday in an Astra.
The fast Audi owner summed up. As long as its the fastest estate on the bypass, they're happy as a pig in st. Actual driving is for paupers.
YEAH! I pity the Audi driving fools wandering what they can brag about now the new RS4 only has a 450 bhp V8. They have been, like, OWNED.ETA: On the way to the pub last week, he blasted down the local by-pass to show me how "awesome" his S4 is. On the way home, I demanded that he take the S shaped off-ramp at no less than 55mph, or he was simply a massive ghey. He didnt manage it. I did it yesterday in an Astra.
The fast Audi owner summed up. As long as its the fastest estate on the bypass, they're happy as a pig in s
t. Actual driving is for paupers.Edited by Reardy Mister on Monday 20th February 14:03
And all REAL drivers drive snotters yeah. I hear you bro.
God I wish I was as simple as you.
But my point isnt that 450hp is a small amount or that "real" driving can only be done in snotters. The point is that in my experience (possibly skewed by living in Bournemouth), there is a fairly accurate stereotype of Audi buyer that harrumphs around top-trumping everyone with hp figures but a) cannot extract even 50% of his own car's actual capability and b) doesnt really care, because as long as it fires forward from 70-130 faster than everyone else, thats good enough. And in that respect they become the sports car for the non-sports car driver. As opposed to a BMW customer (for example) who has gone out with the intention of getting a RWD platform and possibly has more interest in the vehicle dynamics than just the power output.
I find it disingenuous.
Reardy Mister said:
As opposed to a BMW customer (for example) who has gone out with the intention of getting a RWD platform and possibly has more interest in the vehicle dynamics than just the power output.
I suspect you'll find the vast majority of BMW driver (also Audi, Mercedes etc) buy their car for satus reasons. The number of BMW drivers driving a BMW because of its rwd dynamic is minimal. The readership of PH is in no way typical in this respect. I'm also of the opinion that most cars are more capable than their drivers
The only thing that doesn't evolve with power is driving skills. You even wonder if power is not effectively used as a way to hide the total inability to safely judge available grip and traction that most performance road car drivers seem to suffer from. Put your average perf car drive on a track for the first time and 99% turn in too early, brake 100m too early, struggle to hold the wheel properly etc etc
nickfrog said:
The only thing that doesn't evolve with power is driving skills. You even wonder if power is not effectively used as a way to hide the total inability to safely judge available grip and traction that most performance road car drivers seem to suffer from. Put your average perf car drive on a track for the first time and 99% turn in too early, brake 100m too early, struggle to hold the wheel properly etc etc
well if they do the same on the road then surely there isn't a problem, as they're being safe but still making decent progress; no?troc said:
I suspect you'll find the vast majority of BMW driver (also Audi, Mercedes etc) buy their car for satus reasons. The number of BMW drivers driving a BMW because of its rwd dynamic is minimal. The readership of PH is in no way typical in this respect.
I'm also of the opinion that most cars are more capable than their drivers
What he says ^^^^I'm also of the opinion that most cars are more capable than their drivers
Reardy Mister said:
As opposed to a BMW customer (for example) who has gone out with the intention of getting a RWD platform and possibly has more interest in the vehicle dynamics than just the power output.
I bet 99% of BMW customers bought it because it's a BMW and don't have a fking clue that it's RWD/what RWD is.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff