What would happen if I blocked a road?
Discussion
Gaz. said:
Regardless of the wants and needs of the residents & commuters vs the greenies wanting everyone to live in the stone age, could the local/county autorities afford to build the bypass?
Blocking the road is counter productive imo.
No. There is no money for it, not locally. Maybe a private company could fund it on a PFI (?) like CountyRoute do with the A130 - build it and then monitor traffic, and charge the HA/LA per vehicle. 2p a car or something, over 20 years. Blocking the road is counter productive imo.
OpulentBob said:
Bizarrely, although i'm a nailed-on southern poof, i drove that bit of road recently. Yeah, its s
t. Having had a quick skim read of the scheme and history, nothing in there is surprising. The locals want it, big green organisations don't.
Locals on the Manchester side want it. A handful of locals on the Sheffield side don't want it because they think it would increase traffic in their neck of the woods. It's they who have enlisted greenfreaks to knock it back every time it comes up for planning approval. This has been going on for a hundred years or six.t. Having had a quick skim read of the scheme and history, nothing in there is surprising. The locals want it, big green organisations don't.OpulentBob said:
£315m is also an incredibly big amount of money, for what is in all honesty quite a low reduction in traffic figures.
You clearly haven't been through during rush hours. It can take 30 to 40 minutes longer. It's wall to wall lorries and I don't know how the locals manage to breathe.OpulentBob said:
The provision of a bypass would create a rat run - arguably not a favourable swap.
No it wouldn't. Have a careful look at map. OpulentBob said:
I can see the green side of the argument, to an extent. The land was there first - why ruin it just because of humans and their refusal to use public transport etc. In my experience, build a new road and development alongside follows. Be it residential or industrial, it happens. And the big green spaces start to disappear and the beige areas start to merge.
Typical greenspeak, socialistspeak. Have a look at the A61 Dronfield bypass. Been there since the 60s. Nobody uses the old road as a rat run. The bypass has never "filled up" and the surroundings are as green as they were in 1950. That's one example, I can show you more. OpulentBob said:
But that's all a bit academic really - the sheer amount of money the scheme would cost is crazy. The funds simply aren't there. Maybe some sort of traffic management, like peak time HGV restrictions or something. I don't know enough about the behaviour or problems along there to comment - and there are far cleverer and more experienced strategy types than me who would have looked at this for years. It's just a st bit of the world for traffic. Just like Dartford (Essex/Kent crossing).
If you can get rid of HGVs, a large part of the problem is solved, but the alternative route is via the M62 and MUCH longer. The M62 is busy enough as it is. Discounting that, this route is the only way from the M1/A1 west to Manchester, Liverpool and Wales.t bit of the world for traffic. Just like Dartford (Essex/Kent crossing).OpulentBob said:
ETA2 Just read the "alternative proposals" - they've got similar ideas to me. Modify existing to suit. Keep the new road in the back pocket for times of plenty
The new road has passed through many "times of plenty". It's been on the board for at least forty years. I can see no way of modifying the existing route without demolishing Tintwhistle, Hollingworth and Mottram.I can't be coping with a quote montage like that so I'll just reply here.
No, I haven't been through there at rush hour, but I'd imagine it's fairly similar to down here - rush hour can easily add an hour on our busier roads. Down this way, there are a number of towns where it is quicker to go straight through the town centre than it is to use the bypass, in rush hour. Braintree, for example. And a lot of towns along the A13 - Rayleigh, Basildon etc. Rat-running is a big issue - again, down here anyway. One of the more common complaints to the council about traffic issues. Although I'll happily bow to your local knowledge, I really don't know the local geography up there. If there is no reason for rat running there then fair enough.
Anyway, we're agreed that the greenies are the biggest problem.
No, I haven't been through there at rush hour, but I'd imagine it's fairly similar to down here - rush hour can easily add an hour on our busier roads. Down this way, there are a number of towns where it is quicker to go straight through the town centre than it is to use the bypass, in rush hour. Braintree, for example. And a lot of towns along the A13 - Rayleigh, Basildon etc. Rat-running is a big issue - again, down here anyway. One of the more common complaints to the council about traffic issues. Although I'll happily bow to your local knowledge, I really don't know the local geography up there. If there is no reason for rat running there then fair enough.
Anyway, we're agreed that the greenies are the biggest problem.
SC7 said:
matthias73 said:
A fking slap, idiot.
Thanks for the insight.king slap, idiot. If you go ahead and do this and make me late for a flight I'd be tempted to use PH investigative skills to find you and give you a slap, Hypothetically of course
.I used to live down a no-through road and people used to use it as a rat run. I was working with a neighbor who was a bit of a nutter and on our way down the road (after reversing for a couple of school run mums) we met the usual sporty Audi estate driven by some bloke who refused to revere two meters back to a passing place because it was muddy and expected us to reverse about 100 meters in a high sided, lwb van. After it was clear the guy would't move (arms crossed etc) My mate shouts "suit yourself you ignorant bellend" and locked up the van. We made our way back up the road on foot and had a brew.
Wasn't the first time locals did this and we all usually had a laugh about it at christmas parties including the local policeman who was fed up with excuses by motorists hooning down there which he'd stopped and then relished handing out fines or sending them back the way they came. fking marvelous!
Wasn't the first time locals did this and we all usually had a laugh about it at christmas parties including the local policeman who was fed up with excuses by motorists hooning down there which he'd stopped and then relished handing out fines or sending them back the way they came. f
king marvelous!
saaby93 said:
es but why?
Traffics queued one way but nothing the other. Theres a bottleneck up ahead - what is it?
Traffic lights.Traffics queued one way but nothing the other. Theres a bottleneck up ahead - what is it?
The left lane that you're looking at is ALL traffic from Sheffield, Barnsley, Rotherham, Glossop, Hadfield, Padfield, Tintwistle, Hollingworth etc. going through one lane, at one set of traffic lights for every destination from Hyde, Denton, Gorton, Stockport, Manchester and everything west.
SC7 said:
Traffic lights.
The left lane that you're looking at is ALL traffic from Sheffield, Barnsley, Rotherham, Glossop, Hadfield, Padfield, Tintwistle, Hollingworth etc. going through one lane, at one set of traffic lights for every destination from Hyde, Denton, Gorton, Stockport, Manchester and everything west.
Can you think of a way of changing the junction or routing some of the traffic around it?The left lane that you're looking at is ALL traffic from Sheffield, Barnsley, Rotherham, Glossop, Hadfield, Padfield, Tintwistle, Hollingworth etc. going through one lane, at one set of traffic lights for every destination from Hyde, Denton, Gorton, Stockport, Manchester and everything west.
As opulent Bob referred earlier, one persons rat run is anothers way of spreading the load
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=mottram&hl=en&...
The M67 seems to come to an end without a decent array of roads to spread out to
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 18th February 12:32
saaby93 said:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=mottram&hl=en&...
The M67 seems to come to an end without a decent array of roads to spread out to
Yep, exactly. The M67 seems to come to an end without a decent array of roads to spread out to
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 18th February 12:32
It just dumps on 3 small villages.
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