RE: BMW M550d: Chris Harris live blog
Discussion
Cheib said:
MattOz said:
The touring is definitely the sausage of choice. Shame it's not coming to the UK, but the Alpina equivalent would do the job nicely. Isn't it comfortably north of £70k though? Seems a huge amount of money for an exec saloon.
The Alpina D5 is £56k and the touring £3k more I think.....by modern BMW standards that's good value IMHO. I wouldn't even think about a 535d or M550d even if it was available in this country.Are Alpina going to be given an opportunity to fiddle with this new tri-turbo lump?
Must admit, the M badge on the back looks like a dreadful afterthought of the kind fakers stick on to create an M318i.
MrTickle said:
Johnboy Mac said:
So, the same mpg as a very hard driven Porsche Panamera S!
If you think a Panamera S gets 20mpg being driven hard, you have a very different view of what hard driving is than me!I was getting 12mpg when driving a Panamera hard!
Edited by Johnboy Mac on Sunday 26th February 12:26
Zod said:
chris116 said:
mike-r said:
Don't know if this has been noted...but have BMW ditched orange back lighting on clocks?
Won't be buying any new BMW now.
It has changed, but there is the option to change it back to orange inside the car I believe.Won't be buying any new BMW now.
doogz said:
Oh look. Someone else doesn't like diesel, So Vladimir takes it personally, then slags off that persons car.
What a surprise.
Given how much you go on about "Oh, look, another diesel bashing thread, how original" your own repertoire is getting a bit stale.
Well at least there is some original thought. Doogz posting goes...What a surprise.
Given how much you go on about "Oh, look, another diesel bashing thread, how original" your own repertoire is getting a bit stale.
Search for a Vlad thread, criticise it and say they are all the same. And that's about it...
Why not hang onto someone else's coat tails for once?
Johnboy Mac said:
Oh, it's not me thinking. The figure came from CAR magazine after their group test. The others Merc,BMW & Jag managed 14's and not a track in sight. Then again maybe CAR's team don't drive as hard as you
Maybe, not seen the CAR review - but it is quite easy to get a Panamera S below 20mpg - and I suspect a 155mpg autobahn run would definitely bring it well below that MrTickle said:
Maybe, not seen the CAR review - but it is quite easy to get a Panamera S below 20mpg - and I suspect a 155mph autobahn run would definitely bring it well below that doogz said:
Don't flatter yourself, I don't go looking for the nonsense you post, but everytime you click on a diesel thread, it's inevitable. Change the record.
I could say the very same to you. I could go back and see how often you've "followed" me on a diesel thread. But I can't be bothered.I post on diesel threads because I have two - why do you read and comment on them? Thinly disguised trolling IMO. I don't feel the need to post constantly on threads about cars I don't like. You should try the same - it's good for the heart.
doogz said:
I also own a diesel. I didn't realise owning 2 was the minimum requirement for posting on a thread regarding them. I don't feel the need to post constantly on threads about cars i don't like. Whilst i'm not a fan of diesels in general, the idea of a twin turbo straight 6 one with 4WD is something that appealed to me, would meet lots of my requirements in a car. Which is why i was reading this thread.
Thinly disguised trolling? Everytime someone says something you don't agree with, you have a look around their garage and try and slag them off. Grow up.
However the thought of a twin turbo straight 6 with RWD has you flinging negative vitriol every time? Very strange.Thinly disguised trolling? Everytime someone says something you don't agree with, you have a look around their garage and try and slag them off. Grow up.
Yes if someone does more or less insult my cars, vehicles we've worked bloody hard to be able to buy, I do check their garages. When I find out once again that they run a 306 Dturbo or a Focus or similar, I question their credibility. It's a bit like me slagging off a Gallardo - I simply wouldn't consider it.
Too many here don't have a garage either - IMO every single one is a troll. No garage, no pride in their cars, no cred when slating others.
Those with a lovely collection of cars have taken the time to list and comment on them. Trolls with some sh1box or nothing (I suspect many are teens with no car) don't do this.
If someone takes the time to pick apart diesels for not being a purist/driveable/whatever as petrols but drives a Freelander, I will comment. Every single time. If it upsets you, I suggest you hang back from commenting.
Vladimir said:
Yes if someone does more or less insult my cars, vehicles we've worked bloody hard to be able to buy, I do check their garages. When I find out once again that they run a 306 Dturbo or a Focus or similar, I question their credibility. It's a bit like me slagging off a Gallardo - I simply wouldn't consider it.
I think you're missing the point a little, IMO. people buy their cars for various reasons, be it cheap to run, insure, fuel etc etc it still doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on something else, certainly if they've experienced the car.for instance, if i say "i'd rather have a boxster S over a Z4 because it's more of a drivers car than the Z4, yet still offers more comforts over an elise" then that's fair enough. but it appears you'd then say "how stupid, you own a 7 series which is far from a drivers car" but that's beside the point because i didn't buy xy or z for the same reasons i'd be looking at buying a Z4 or boxster S. make sense?
same thing applies - if people want a fun-driving 3 series which some oomph (other than the M3) they'd generally take the 335i over the 335d. whether they can afford it or not is totally irrelevant. you even said yourself they might have a freelander. well, don't know about you but i'm guessing they'd have a freelander for different reasons than someone might for a totally different car (e.g. a boxster S), doesn't mean they can't have comments about it.
that may or may not make any sense at all to anyone else in the world
Vladimir said:
doogz said:
I also own a diesel. I didn't realise owning 2 was the minimum requirement for posting on a thread regarding them. I don't feel the need to post constantly on threads about cars i don't like. Whilst i'm not a fan of diesels in general, the idea of a twin turbo straight 6 one with 4WD is something that appealed to me, would meet lots of my requirements in a car. Which is why i was reading this thread.
Thinly disguised trolling? Everytime someone says something you don't agree with, you have a look around their garage and try and slag them off. Grow up.
However the thought of a twin turbo straight 6 with RWD has you flinging negative vitriol every time? Very strange.Thinly disguised trolling? Everytime someone says something you don't agree with, you have a look around their garage and try and slag them off. Grow up.
Yes if someone does more or less insult my cars, vehicles we've worked bloody hard to be able to buy, I do check their garages. When I find out once again that they run a 306 Dturbo or a Focus or similar, I question their credibility. It's a bit like me slagging off a Gallardo - I simply wouldn't consider it.
Too many here don't have a garage either - IMO every single one is a troll. No garage, no pride in their cars, no cred when slating others.
Those with a lovely collection of cars have taken the time to list and comment on them. Trolls with some sh1box or nothing (I suspect many are teens with no car) don't do this.
If someone takes the time to pick apart diesels for not being a purist/driveable/whatever as petrols but drives a Freelander, I will comment. Every single time. If it upsets you, I suggest you hang back from commenting.
Blown2CV said:
people can know what they are talking about without owning any particular type of car; and similarly people can know nothing even if they drive a nice car. Whether someone chooses to announce what they do or don't own is another thing altogether. Just because someone does not have a garage listing does not make them a troll, and just because you do does not make you the oracle. Having a view is not the same as having a view and shoving that view up someone's/everyones' arse.
I see what you did thereE38Ross said:
I think you're missing the point a little, IMO. people buy their cars for various reasons, be it cheap to run, insure, fuel etc etc it still doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on something else, certainly if they've experienced the car.
for instance, if i say "i'd rather have a boxster S over a Z4 because it's more of a drivers car than the Z4, yet still offers more comforts over an elise" then that's fair enough. but it appears you'd then say "how stupid, you own a 7 series which is far from a drivers car" but that's beside the point because i didn't buy xy or z for the same reasons i'd be looking at buying a Z4 or boxster S. make sense?
same thing applies - if people want a fun-driving 3 series which some oomph (other than the M3) they'd generally take the 335i over the 335d. whether they can afford it or not is totally irrelevant. you even said yourself they might have a freelander. well, don't know about you but i'm guessing they'd have a freelander for different reasons than someone might for a totally different car (e.g. a boxster S), doesn't mean they can't have comments about it.
that may or may not make any sense at all to anyone else in the world
It makes some sense. I guess I comment on cars I've driven. I'll say "ooh that looks nice" or "eeeyuuurrrghhh" if something new out doesn't but I won't bludgeon the board with opinions clearly based on a cut and paste of a few journo pieces. I have driven 335i. I preferred the 335d - might seem like heresy but there you go. I have driven a Boxster S (uncle had one) but not a Z4 - I imagine the Z4 is nice and they look good but I can't form an opinion because I haven't driven one.for instance, if i say "i'd rather have a boxster S over a Z4 because it's more of a drivers car than the Z4, yet still offers more comforts over an elise" then that's fair enough. but it appears you'd then say "how stupid, you own a 7 series which is far from a drivers car" but that's beside the point because i didn't buy xy or z for the same reasons i'd be looking at buying a Z4 or boxster S. make sense?
same thing applies - if people want a fun-driving 3 series which some oomph (other than the M3) they'd generally take the 335i over the 335d. whether they can afford it or not is totally irrelevant. you even said yourself they might have a freelander. well, don't know about you but i'm guessing they'd have a freelander for different reasons than someone might for a totally different car (e.g. a boxster S), doesn't mean they can't have comments about it.
that may or may not make any sense at all to anyone else in the world
I guess that's what I'm getting at - an awful long of strong opinions/criticisms/guesswork based on what people THINK they should say not from actual experience - and it's glaringly obvious when someone (for example) goes into enormous detail about why the new M5 is not "for them" despite never having even sat in any M5 ever.
Now when someone goes on and on and on about how awful diesels are (as I have said many times, MOST diesels are pretty bad) but owns not only a diesel but a pretty average example (driver wise - again I have had a Freelander 2 loan car) then I just wonder why they bother? And chief troll ZeeTacoo (well done, you got a reply - aren't you clever) does nothing but troll all day long, you just know that someone is quite simply talking utter BS.
Yes Ross you run a 728i - not really my cup of tea but a decent motor. Yet it's obvious you HAVE driven plenty of interesting cars and so have much more basis on which to comment.
But when it's some repeating old tool like ZT, you just know you may as well ask a four year old his opinion.
As for Doogz - I did actually get you confused with someone else that does similar who hasn't got a diesel. My mistake.
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