996TT what's the cheapest it will go to?
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3 miles a minute
Best a to b road car
All weather traction
Etc
All from the original road test
Anyway given there are many in the low £20's and have been since 2009 where will prices for these go? Will they shore up and if so is buying a £20k version a sensible option as in it will not lose any real value just running costs and parts. If so does anyone see these as appreciating or not and if so would you agree £20k is as cheap as they will ever be?
Best a to b road car
All weather traction
Etc
All from the original road test
Anyway given there are many in the low £20's and have been since 2009 where will prices for these go? Will they shore up and if so is buying a £20k version a sensible option as in it will not lose any real value just running costs and parts. If so does anyone see these as appreciating or not and if so would you agree £20k is as cheap as they will ever be?
don logan said:
Not sure about ever appreciating but I've been wondering how they could possibly get any cheaper too!
I'm thinking they are pretty much at the floor of values so all you will face is the maintenance costs. Sure they may be high however given a 3 series will lose c£5k a year bought at similar price then that's a lot of a fighting find for maintenance when you look at total car ownership costs. 
Far too many built to ever appreciate in anything but the very, very long term.
A cat c salvage (with previous good history & parts to finish it off) went on eBay for around 11 grand earlier this year iirc & at that price they're good for breaking.
To the OP's question there's a simple answer...
1, take a car that you fancy in the classifieds
2, write down all the particulars & assume it's in mint condition.
3, ring 3 established Porsche specialists & ask for a bid on your car
4, take an average of those three prices & that's it's real value.
Now, this is a present real value & I'll bet it's a lot less than these attractive cars in the classifieds-this is what you'd have to take if you wanted out.
Although there's no crystal balls, with such a popular car there is always someone out there desperate to sell, & if they are they have to lower their price to make it the most attractive, forcing the market down.
It doesn't happen quite so much with the more limited cars like the gt3, but with the turbo I still see it falling further.
This not even taking into account the fact that more & more will get tired & ropey as they get into the hands of people who can't or won't look after them properly, not to mention the many, many 997 turbos that are depreciating into the 996's price bracket.
But when all's said & done, if you get a good one & run it for 5 years & it's only worth 10 grand after that (unlikely id say) that's still some cheap motoring!
996 Porsches really have more in common with BMW ///M cars for residuals than any supercars of old, like Porsche used to.
A cat c salvage (with previous good history & parts to finish it off) went on eBay for around 11 grand earlier this year iirc & at that price they're good for breaking.
To the OP's question there's a simple answer...
1, take a car that you fancy in the classifieds
2, write down all the particulars & assume it's in mint condition.
3, ring 3 established Porsche specialists & ask for a bid on your car
4, take an average of those three prices & that's it's real value.
Now, this is a present real value & I'll bet it's a lot less than these attractive cars in the classifieds-this is what you'd have to take if you wanted out.
Although there's no crystal balls, with such a popular car there is always someone out there desperate to sell, & if they are they have to lower their price to make it the most attractive, forcing the market down.
It doesn't happen quite so much with the more limited cars like the gt3, but with the turbo I still see it falling further.
This not even taking into account the fact that more & more will get tired & ropey as they get into the hands of people who can't or won't look after them properly, not to mention the many, many 997 turbos that are depreciating into the 996's price bracket.
But when all's said & done, if you get a good one & run it for 5 years & it's only worth 10 grand after that (unlikely id say) that's still some cheap motoring!
996 Porsches really have more in common with BMW ///M cars for residuals than any supercars of old, like Porsche used to.
I agree the quantity made mean it will never be a hugely appreciating car if at all.
I'm just struggling to see it get down to say £10k even if you run it up to 200k miles.
I'd say if you buy one and keep it maintained properly at worst it will be worth more or less the same as what you paid for it and as time goes by yes there will be dogs but yours will be a good to excellent example and as such that's highly attractive.
I'm just struggling to see it get down to say £10k even if you run it up to 200k miles.
I'd say if you buy one and keep it maintained properly at worst it will be worth more or less the same as what you paid for it and as time goes by yes there will be dogs but yours will be a good to excellent example and as such that's highly attractive.
Cant see the dropping that much more, agree there quite a few about and they are costly to maintain but they will always be a Porsche and always be a 911 and they are still massively quick, they tend to get sniffed at by the Cognescenti but lets leave them to their GT whatsits with a climbing frame in at 100 grand plus, fantastic but for those of us who have not been through the "Aquiring the taste" process they represent a good way into a 911 ownership, just not something to buy at 25 grand if you that is all you have, i.e. if you inherit 25 grand and earn 20 grand a year, it cost 100 grand plus new so parts and service are still relative.
I drove one and liked it, very approachable and easy to drive fast but I do concur that perhaps it may run out of interest for the ultimate edge, by that time, on the road, you are going so fast you probably need to slow down a bit, an awesome all rounder for all weathers.
I thought the 997 I went it felt noticeably quicker, would that be correct or is it me ?
I drove one and liked it, very approachable and easy to drive fast but I do concur that perhaps it may run out of interest for the ultimate edge, by that time, on the road, you are going so fast you probably need to slow down a bit, an awesome all rounder for all weathers.
I thought the 997 I went it felt noticeably quicker, would that be correct or is it me ?
J4CKO said:
I drove one and liked it, very approachable and easy to drive fast but I do concur that perhaps it may run out of interest for the ultimate edge, by that time, on the road, you are going so fast you probably need to slow down a bit, an awesome all rounder for all weathers.
I haven't driven one but had a ride in one being driven quite hard, suprisingly it didn't feel OMG fast but a look at the speedo showed how quick it was, tbh on the road I'd have more fun in a car that feels fast with 250 bhp than something that doesn't with 450.I think prices will keep dropping but just at a much reduced rate, maybe only 1k a year on average, only the GT cars will appreciate if anything (996 GT2's and GT3's as rarer)
996tt is easily the best value-for-money sports car you can buy and run for 1-2 years without spending much, they are well-built cars, also mpg's are very reasonable as it maintenance
996tt is easily the best value-for-money sports car you can buy and run for 1-2 years without spending much, they are well-built cars, also mpg's are very reasonable as it maintenance
blade7 said:
I haven't driven one but had a ride in one being driven quite hard, suprisingly it didn't feel OMG fast but a look at the speedo showed how quick it was, tbh on the road I'd have more fun in a car that feels fast with 250 bhp than something that doesn't with 450.
You are ridding with the wrong people 
Bizarrely their saving grace might be the 997 turbo, I can't help feeling it'll never drop as far as the 996 simply due to it being a better looking car with a much nicer interior.
The more the 997 drops, the more it'll push the 996 down-though I think the 997 turbo will reach a level higher than the 996.
What that'll be is just pulling numbers out of fresh air but I'd put the 997 turbo always commanding a 10k premium over a 996.
The more the 997 drops, the more it'll push the 996 down-though I think the 997 turbo will reach a level higher than the 996.
What that'll be is just pulling numbers out of fresh air but I'd put the 997 turbo always commanding a 10k premium over a 996.
I've driven the 996TT and 997TT and for me the 997TT was generally more composed and squatted less under maximum acceleration
BUT
The fact that the 996 TT squatted more under hard acceleration added to the "sensation" of acceleration.
I think the 997 TT is the better looking of the 2 but it's a big premium to pay, the 996TT is a bargain, the one stand out disappointment for me were the brakes, too much travel and not enough initial bite, and they ARE "all like that sir"
If you bought a 200mph Turbo for £20k you could spend some money on some brakes!
BUT
The fact that the 996 TT squatted more under hard acceleration added to the "sensation" of acceleration.
I think the 997 TT is the better looking of the 2 but it's a big premium to pay, the 996TT is a bargain, the one stand out disappointment for me were the brakes, too much travel and not enough initial bite, and they ARE "all like that sir"
If you bought a 200mph Turbo for £20k you could spend some money on some brakes!
Lordglenmorangie said:
blade7 said:
I haven't driven one but had a ride in one being driven quite hard, suprisingly it didn't feel OMG fast but a look at the speedo showed how quick it was, tbh on the road I'd have more fun in a car that feels fast with 250 bhp than something that doesn't with 450.
You are ridding with the wrong people 
Put it this way, due to there not being much lag there didn't seem to be a huge shove in the back, and in the twisty stuff it felt very planted, I'm not saying it's not a very quick car but unless you are going very hard/fast it seemed too easy.blade7 said:
Put it this way, due to there not being much lag there didn't seem to be a huge shove in the back, and in the twisty stuff it felt very planted, I'm not saying it's not a very quick car but unless you are going very hard/fast it seemed too easy.What is the 996tt 0-100mph time? I'm guessing it's below 10seconds with the 997tt below 9 seconds.
Given fastest car I've owned is 14.5 seconds for that increment id say it would be epic day in day out and really you'd never need to use the full power in 99.99% of the time.
Given the McLaren F1 and Enzo do the 0-100 mph in low 6's it clearly is the law of diminishing returns. Clearly a 6 second car to the ton v a 9 second car to the ton are worlds apart in outright pace but I'll never be able to afford or to justify buying one of those icons.
Also what is the F40 0-100mph time? Cannot be that much different from the 996tt guessing quicker but not massively
blade7 said:
J4CKO said:
I drove one and liked it, very approachable and easy to drive fast but I do concur that perhaps it may run out of interest for the ultimate edge, by that time, on the road, you are going so fast you probably need to slow down a bit, an awesome all rounder for all weathers.
I haven't driven one but had a ride in one being driven quite hard, suprisingly it didn't feel OMG fast but a look at the speedo showed how quick it was, tbh on the road I'd have more fun in a car that feels fast with 250 bhp than something that doesn't with 450.Any 911 is a different ball game to 4 cyl Porsches, the stakes raise massively in terms of parts prices and general running costs.
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