Re: PH Blog: Golf GTD eight years apart
Discussion
dapearson said:
My leon has the 2.0 TDI engine, though only in 140bhp guise. The highest mpg i've managed to squeeze out of it is about 53mpg, but that was on a long run at around 50mph. Cruising at 70mph on a dual carriageway gives around 42-44mpg. It really isn't great on fuel at all.
My old Golf 1.9 TDI with the 115 PD engine had much longer gearing and would do 50-55 mpg all day long. That's what i was hoping for from the Leon as the CO2 and manufacturer MPG figures backed that up.
C'est la vie
You really don't know how to drive it then. My 140pd leon dsg is AMD mapped (185bhp and 300lb/ft) and my run to work which is a 1/3 town, 1/3 A14 and a 1/3 back roads totalling a round trip of 40miles a day i easily manage 48-49 mpg and thats with a serious prod of the throttle now and then. My old Golf 1.9 TDI with the 115 PD engine had much longer gearing and would do 50-55 mpg all day long. That's what i was hoping for from the Leon as the CO2 and manufacturer MPG figures backed that up.
C'est la vie
At a steady 70mph(gps not speedo as 70 gps is around 75mph on my speedo) i get over 50mpg. Something wrong with your leon?
Recent run to Brummy at 50mph due to heavy traffic i avg 65mpg.
Edited by dukebox9reg on Wednesday 7th March 10:17
bbackhouse said:
"The engine sounds the same with the familiar VW common rail diesel noise"
Only the newer mk6 2.0 TDI's are Common Rail (CR) hence why they are referred to as the 2.0 140CR and 2.0 170CR. The mk5 2.0 TDI's (like your original) were Pumpe Düse (PD) referred to as 2.0 140PD and 2.0 170PD.
New newer CR engines are much more refined from my experience unless my 140PD is particularly rattly!
Shhh, nobody had noticed until you said....... Only the newer mk6 2.0 TDI's are Common Rail (CR) hence why they are referred to as the 2.0 140CR and 2.0 170CR. The mk5 2.0 TDI's (like your original) were Pumpe Düse (PD) referred to as 2.0 140PD and 2.0 170PD.
New newer CR engines are much more refined from my experience unless my 140PD is particularly rattly!
In all seriousness, I felt the engine sound was very similar to my old car from inside the cabin. It's not unpleasant but it's there all the same. Certainly not as rattly as some.
With regards to economy, I reckon you could coax way more from the GTD, but that wave of torque is all to easy to exploit with a boot-full of accelerator. Addictive.
dapearson said:
My leon has the 2.0 TDI engine, though only in 140bhp guise. The highest mpg i've managed to squeeze out of it is about 53mpg, but that was on a long run at around 50mph. Cruising at 70mph on a dual carriageway gives around 42-44mpg. It really isn't great on fuel at all.
My old Golf 1.9 TDI with the 115 PD engine had much longer gearing and would do 50-55 mpg all day long. That's what i was hoping for from the Leon as the CO2 and manufacturer MPG figures backed that up.
C'est la vie
Wow. I've had slightly better than that out a 3.0 bi-turbo diesel V6 (if driving like a berk, at indicated 52mph on the motorway). Poor show Seat. My old Golf 1.9 TDI with the 115 PD engine had much longer gearing and would do 50-55 mpg all day long. That's what i was hoping for from the Leon as the CO2 and manufacturer MPG figures backed that up.
C'est la vie
SSBB said:
Wow. I've had slightly better than that out a 3.0 bi-turbo diesel V6 (if driving like a berk, at indicated 52mph on the motorway). Poor show Seat.
Hey nothing wrong with my 140pd as stated slighty above. Historically the pd170s are known for poor MPG performance due to being fitted with a DPF etc. My mapped 140 which has a considerable extra bit of poke then a 170 out performs my mate standard 170 on fuel. DPFs are evildukebox9reg said:
Hey nothing wrong with my 140pd as stated slighty above. Historically the pd170s are known for poor MPG performance due to being fitted with a DPF etc. My mapped 140 which has a considerable extra bit of poke then a 170 out performs my mate standard 170 on fuel. DPFs are evil
Has DPF technology moved on then? Maybe those seats are shorter geared for performance. I do wonder what these new 8 speed diesels can squeeze out on a run. My thoughts on my 130PD Bora:
ETA: Garlick, how did you find the reliability and build of your Mk5? I think on that front, you're probably better off in general with the new car than the old(er) one. Anecdotally I've heard lots of horror stories about Mk5's and the equivalent era Jettas.
ETA: Also very cheap to service with the long-life intervals ...
- Very clattery
- Occasionally likes to hide the following car in a cloud of smoke if I boot it
- More than adequate performance even with 3 or 4 up
- Very economical (45mpg average with short trips, get the traffic conditions right and a 40 mile commute into/out of west London sees nearly 60mpg each way, got to love 60mph in 6th, going with the flow on the motorways)
- Terrible at power delivery (nothing below 1500, then *wallop* everything arrives at 1800 and tails off after 2500
- Boring as sin
- Reliable and comfortable
ETA: Garlick, how did you find the reliability and build of your Mk5? I think on that front, you're probably better off in general with the new car than the old(er) one. Anecdotally I've heard lots of horror stories about Mk5's and the equivalent era Jettas.
ETA: Also very cheap to service with the long-life intervals ...
Edited by masermartin on Wednesday 7th March 11:01
mocca said:
I've a few 2.0 tdi VAG products and found them all to do (almost) what they said on the tin, with 50mpg+ not too difficult to achieve with liberal application of go. Nice to sit in but terminally dull.
That's true enough. However, after our time with this car the Mrs and I agreed that we would quite like one in the fleet. So much so that I have been looking in the classifieds for a used example.
Will chip in with my thoughts on the mk6 GTD.
Have been running one for 2 1/2 yrs now without incident, and the performance and economy are both pretty much as VW claim. It pulls well throughout the rev range in all gears, making progress effortless - perfect for day to day use.
Its easy enough to get 40mpg around town and 50+ on a run - this is done with roof bars permanently affixed on mine, so could be improved and whilst i dont travel everywere flat out, nor do i drive like a saint.
The 170 Engine is also markedly different to the earlier PD in the mk5 - its smoother, possibly in part due to better cabin insulation - and less peaky. Nothing wrong with the PD really, but drive them back to back and you'll know what i mean. Whilst the 130 and 150 engines fitted to the mk4 golf ( and Bora ) were very good for their time, being one of the first truly quickish diesels, they are a few generations apart now and it shows.
As for the cabin, the mk6 is no more solid than the mk5 and the layout is near identical, but the feel and quality of the materials certainly feels more upmarket and modern.
Have been running one for 2 1/2 yrs now without incident, and the performance and economy are both pretty much as VW claim. It pulls well throughout the rev range in all gears, making progress effortless - perfect for day to day use.
Its easy enough to get 40mpg around town and 50+ on a run - this is done with roof bars permanently affixed on mine, so could be improved and whilst i dont travel everywere flat out, nor do i drive like a saint.
The 170 Engine is also markedly different to the earlier PD in the mk5 - its smoother, possibly in part due to better cabin insulation - and less peaky. Nothing wrong with the PD really, but drive them back to back and you'll know what i mean. Whilst the 130 and 150 engines fitted to the mk4 golf ( and Bora ) were very good for their time, being one of the first truly quickish diesels, they are a few generations apart now and it shows.
As for the cabin, the mk6 is no more solid than the mk5 and the layout is near identical, but the feel and quality of the materials certainly feels more upmarket and modern.
Garlick said:
mocca said:
I've a few 2.0 tdi VAG products and found them all to do (almost) what they said on the tin, with 50mpg+ not too difficult to achieve with liberal application of go. Nice to sit in but terminally dull.
That's true enough. However, after our time with this car the Mrs and I agreed that we would quite like one in the fleet. So much so that I have been looking in the classifieds for a used example.
blearyeyedboy said:
High 30's mpg?
When the GTi can do mid 30's, why go for diesel? Or were you "making progress" a lot, Garlick?
I was thinking the same, the worst I get in my Bora(ing?) 1.9 150 TDI is 42-43 and I do keep my foot down a hell of a lot. Cruising speed it barely drops below 50mpg. So is the older engine not only quicker, but it's also better on fuel? Think I'll stick to the 1.9.When the GTi can do mid 30's, why go for diesel? Or were you "making progress" a lot, Garlick?
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