RE: Geneva 2012: Peugeot 208 GTi Concept
Discussion
For gods sake - please do something different from the competition rather than just fill more space with your own pointless variant.
James May hit the nail on the head recently - you can have more fun in a small car with narrow wheels. Big wheels may mean lots of grip, but it's just going to hurt more when the grip disappears or you run out of talent.
I would love to see peugeot return to form by offering something a little different, and get rid of the stupidly large wheels. Concentrate on weight & driving dynamics and maybe re-create what got Peugeot the status in the first place.
James May hit the nail on the head recently - you can have more fun in a small car with narrow wheels. Big wheels may mean lots of grip, but it's just going to hurt more when the grip disappears or you run out of talent.
I would love to see peugeot return to form by offering something a little different, and get rid of the stupidly large wheels. Concentrate on weight & driving dynamics and maybe re-create what got Peugeot the status in the first place.
hotmelt said:
Stew2000 said:
Does this rival the Fiesta S or ST?
In fact I think it will be better than Fiesta ST(faster and more tail-happy), but 205 GTI? Come on Porches are struggling to bring such feel.
GH80 said:
James May hit the nail on the head recently - you can have more fun in a small car with narrow wheels. Big wheels may mean lots of grip, but it's just going to hurt more when the grip disappears or you run out of talent.
While you're right, Peugeot will not be aiming the 208 GTi at James May. They'll be aiming it at 17-24 yr olds.Have you ever known a 17-24yr old to not want wider and bigger wheels?
ok, it's not a 205, and nor should it be, as that is now a classic!
It's a new car, aimed at changing some of the public view of one of the largest brands in Europe, so it does need to have wider appeal than just us pistonheads.
I have worked for Peugeot, and will be getting a drive in the 208GTi possibly before the motoring press do, and so i will hold my judgement until that's out of the way.
All I do know is that out of the 205GTi 206GTi 207THP175 and a 208GTi, I know which one i'd rather live with daily, and which i'd happily scrape through a gravel trap in.
It's a new car, aimed at changing some of the public view of one of the largest brands in Europe, so it does need to have wider appeal than just us pistonheads.
I have worked for Peugeot, and will be getting a drive in the 208GTi possibly before the motoring press do, and so i will hold my judgement until that's out of the way.
All I do know is that out of the 205GTi 206GTi 207THP175 and a 208GTi, I know which one i'd rather live with daily, and which i'd happily scrape through a gravel trap in.
Sorry folks, but the world has moved on. No point harking back to 'our days'.
All this represents is the styling kit that will be put on low-end-engine spec. models to sell to youths who's mummies and daddies can afford them a new car but not the insurance for a fast model....
Lost track of the number of VXR look-nearly-alikes with 1.2 badges on the back I've seen.
All this represents is the styling kit that will be put on low-end-engine spec. models to sell to youths who's mummies and daddies can afford them a new car but not the insurance for a fast model....
Lost track of the number of VXR look-nearly-alikes with 1.2 badges on the back I've seen.
Skater12 said:
ok, it's not a 205, and nor should it be, as that is now a classic!
It's a new car, aimed at changing some of the public view of one of the largest brands in Europe, so it does need to have wider appeal than just us pistonheads.
I have worked for Peugeot, and will be getting a drive in the 208GTi possibly before the motoring press do, and so i will hold my judgement until that's out of the way.
All I do know is that out of the 205GTi 206GTi 207THP175 and a 208GTi, I know which one i'd rather live with daily, and which i'd happily scrape through a gravel trap in.
I would happily scrape 206 and 207(similar to zillions of other cars, despite not being bad at all) and than would drive good 205 GTI, what a car!It's a new car, aimed at changing some of the public view of one of the largest brands in Europe, so it does need to have wider appeal than just us pistonheads.
I have worked for Peugeot, and will be getting a drive in the 208GTi possibly before the motoring press do, and so i will hold my judgement until that's out of the way.
All I do know is that out of the 205GTi 206GTi 207THP175 and a 208GTi, I know which one i'd rather live with daily, and which i'd happily scrape through a gravel trap in.
hotmelt said:
Hungry Pigeon said:
Would have to agree. The one bolted to the front of my house brings no feel at all...
You probably value yourself and others because of what they, drive, own, dress etc. Good luck, maybe you win a lottery once! You will be able to get some fancy cars easily.
As for the 208. The range is going to be lighter and smaller outside than the 207. It stands to reason the GTi will follow suit.
Also, don't forget Peugeot & Citroen are PSA, responsible for the DS3 which is generally seen as not too bad... My guess/knowledge is the car will share a lot on the basis of how successful the DS3 has been.
Make something reasonably quick, but lots of fun for under £10k and your onto a winner Peugeot.
Unfortunately, they'll give us another lardy 200hp hatchback for £20k that no one wants.
What we want is:
- cheap to buy
- cheap to run (ie low tax, good economy, cheap insurance)
- simple & light weight
- fun to drive
Just put the 205 GTi back into production
Unfortunately, they'll give us another lardy 200hp hatchback for £20k that no one wants.
What we want is:
- cheap to buy
- cheap to run (ie low tax, good economy, cheap insurance)
- simple & light weight
- fun to drive
Just put the 205 GTi back into production
hotmelt said:
You probably value yourself and others because of what they, drive, own, dress etc. Good luck, maybe you win a lottery once! You will be able to get some fancy cars easily.
FYI, as it unfortunately went over your head, a porch (and possibly even a "porche", although I'm not really sure) is something attached to the front of your house - not something you can drive, or really brag about to your mates. With regard to your point on 'Porsches' not offering comparable feel to 205s - of course they don't, and they haven't for decades, that would be the 8 or 9 inch wheels and now electric power steering.
Neither of which - certainly the former - are necessary on a small hatchback.
Cars like the Aygo show that legislation doesn't have to spoil the fun - they do offer lift-off fun and games, along with adjustable handling .
So if such a package could offer marginally wider tyres, and a little bit more power - 150-180bhp - a modern-day recreation **is** possible.
But it won't happen. Because BHP sells cars, as does big bling wheels, and silly wider rubber.
Shame. Still, that's what 99 per cent of the buyers want.
Apparently (according to Peugeot) the 208 will be lighter than the 207 in all models, ahve very economical engines and the 208 GTi will be a 'proper' GTi. - This is from Peugeot itself, so I had to ask the question, why did you make the 206, 207, 307 & 308 all useless?
Personally, I am not expecting much from this. I imagine that it will be over priced, not that quick and be average at best when compared with the Ford.
Chris
Personally, I am not expecting much from this. I imagine that it will be over priced, not that quick and be average at best when compared with the Ford.
Chris
By my reckoning the BHP per Ton of the original 205 GTI 1.9, Vs the new 208 GTI will be as follows.
Bear in mind, the 208 GTI is set to be at least 100kg lighter than the 207 GTI, which was 1250kg.
205 GTI 1.9
115 HP
880 KG
BHP Per Ton = 130BHP
208 GTI 1.6T
200 HP (est)
1150 KG ( or less )
BHP Per Ton = 174BHP
Now add to the fact that this car will benefit from electronic aids, more mechanical grip etc etc, and i cant see why this wont be up to the task of being the 205 GTI for this generation.
Oh, and i've heard through senior Peugeot bods that it'll be sub £17k in base spec, and low insurance group, AND....... applicable for Peugeots Just Add Fuel campaign as long as the driver is over 25 and and have 2 years no-claims bonus.
Sounding a little more tempting now ????
Bear in mind, the 208 GTI is set to be at least 100kg lighter than the 207 GTI, which was 1250kg.
205 GTI 1.9
115 HP
880 KG
BHP Per Ton = 130BHP
208 GTI 1.6T
200 HP (est)
1150 KG ( or less )
BHP Per Ton = 174BHP
Now add to the fact that this car will benefit from electronic aids, more mechanical grip etc etc, and i cant see why this wont be up to the task of being the 205 GTI for this generation.
Oh, and i've heard through senior Peugeot bods that it'll be sub £17k in base spec, and low insurance group, AND....... applicable for Peugeots Just Add Fuel campaign as long as the driver is over 25 and and have 2 years no-claims bonus.
Sounding a little more tempting now ????
In addition...
A 205 GTi 1.6 ( not even the 1.9 ) would have had a retail price of around £9800 in 1990.
In todays money that equates to just over £19,000.
So, if peugeot come in under £19k for the 208 GTi then anyone who's making a direct comparison can eat their words.
Faster, more powerfull, quicker round the 'ring im sure, safer, better equipped, more fuel efficient, and better value for money.
ah-hem !
A 205 GTi 1.6 ( not even the 1.9 ) would have had a retail price of around £9800 in 1990.
In todays money that equates to just over £19,000.
So, if peugeot come in under £19k for the 208 GTi then anyone who's making a direct comparison can eat their words.
Faster, more powerfull, quicker round the 'ring im sure, safer, better equipped, more fuel efficient, and better value for money.
ah-hem !
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