RE: Geneva 2012: Peugeot 208 GTi Concept
Discussion
doogz said:
Who taught you maths? 
Although yes, the power/weight ratio will be less. Doubt it'll stop the 205 still being more fun though. But we know that already.
Dont get me wrong, older tinnier cars on skinny tyres are awesome, but lets face it they'll NEVER make them like they used too, despite us pleading for them.Although yes, the power/weight ratio will be less. Doubt it'll stop the 205 still being more fun though. But we know that already.
I just think people need to review how they judge a car.
Stop thinking of cars like this as a "replacement for the 205 GTi", and think of it as a "205 GTi for the current world" and it starts making more sense.
I just looked on here, and at 139 bhp per ton, the 205 gti had the same power to weight ratio as a vectra gsi 2.5, and they are horrid.
The 208 Gti at 179 bhp per ton is close to that of an Imprezza WRX, or even a Skyline R34.
http://www.autosnout.com/Cars-Bhp-Per-Ton-List.php
makes interesting reading.
I've been a real Peugeot fan in the past, 205 GTI 1.9 106 Rallye 1.3 and finally 106 GTI over the course of the 1990s.... The 206 GTI put me off sticking to the brand unfortunately and I defected Mazda (2 MX5s with an RX8 in the middle!).... It would take an extremely special Peugeot to tempt me back.
Of the 3 Peugeots I owned, in order of degrees of fun they were 1st 106 Rallye, 2nd 205 GTI, 3rd 106 GTI. The Rallye 1.3 was just so pure - no driver aids at all, light, 100BHP, just under 1 ton, maximum power produced at the redline - simple, no guessing how you had to drive it. Great suspension and wheel size too (steel wheels as well). I modified it very slightly by swapping out the plastic steering wheel with a leather Momo one. This little mod made such a massive difference to it - why - because it's only reason for living was making the driver smile by way of it's controls - I couldn't have cared less how it looked, what equipment it had (or didn't have) or how noisy it was on the motorway (and it was - I think 70MPH was 5000rpm due to its close ratio gearbox!)...
The base MX5s come close to providing that purity, but I don't think we will ever see the like of the 106 Rallye again due to rules, regs and customer demands for gadgets. A shame. I like the look of this 208 GTI actually but I know it won't have that old magic.
Of the 3 Peugeots I owned, in order of degrees of fun they were 1st 106 Rallye, 2nd 205 GTI, 3rd 106 GTI. The Rallye 1.3 was just so pure - no driver aids at all, light, 100BHP, just under 1 ton, maximum power produced at the redline - simple, no guessing how you had to drive it. Great suspension and wheel size too (steel wheels as well). I modified it very slightly by swapping out the plastic steering wheel with a leather Momo one. This little mod made such a massive difference to it - why - because it's only reason for living was making the driver smile by way of it's controls - I couldn't have cared less how it looked, what equipment it had (or didn't have) or how noisy it was on the motorway (and it was - I think 70MPH was 5000rpm due to its close ratio gearbox!)...
The base MX5s come close to providing that purity, but I don't think we will ever see the like of the 106 Rallye again due to rules, regs and customer demands for gadgets. A shame. I like the look of this 208 GTI actually but I know it won't have that old magic.
Skater12 said:
Dont get me wrong, older tinnier cars on skinny tyres are awesome, but lets face it they'll NEVER make them like they used too, despite us pleading for them.
That is because, despite the pleading, nobody on here would actually buy one. Its like the GT86, lots of people "want" one but they are all waiting for it to become a used bargain. Or when a manufacturer makes a car that doesn't fit with a fanboy's idea of what the brand should be, all of the post VW buyout Bentleys for example, they get angry and say the brand is dead to them but then they never bought a new Bentley or even a second hand one so why would anyone make a car they want?
TonyHetherington said:
While you're right, Peugeot will not be aiming the 208 GTi at James May. They'll be aiming it at 17-24 yr olds.
Have you ever known a 17-24yr old to not want wider and bigger wheels?
Be nigh on impossible for any youth to insure one nowadays unless mum n dads loaded (or they've earnt some decent cash already).Have you ever known a 17-24yr old to not want wider and bigger wheels?
Sadly i think hot hatches are never going to be as much fun as the old ones. More reliable probably. But thats not the point. Safety features etc etc and all the new make-safe tat in cars is what kills the fun. I want my car to make me feel like it could end my life at any minute but at the same time putting a big dumb grin on my face.
You can't aim ANY car other than a bog-basic-boring-box at 17-20 year olds because they can't afford to insure it.
Hot hatches have always been marketted at 21-25 year olds - they are likely to be able to afford to buy and run one and not be quite grown-up enough to realise they're almost certainly wasting their money (on a new one!!)
Hot hatches have always been marketted at 21-25 year olds - they are likely to be able to afford to buy and run one and not be quite grown-up enough to realise they're almost certainly wasting their money (on a new one!!)
johnpeat said:
You can't aim ANY car other than a bog-basic-boring-box at 17-20 year olds because they can't afford to insure it.
Hot hatches have always been marketted at 21-25 year olds - they are likely to be able to afford to buy and run one and not be quite grown-up enough to realise they're almost certainly wasting their money (on a new one!!)
Not at £25k+ plus they're notHot hatches have always been marketted at 21-25 year olds - they are likely to be able to afford to buy and run one and not be quite grown-up enough to realise they're almost certainly wasting their money (on a new one!!)
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