RE: Spotted: 1965 Lotus Seven

RE: Spotted: 1965 Lotus Seven

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mickrick

3,700 posts

174 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Lovely! And an investment. Try finding one.

suffolk009

5,433 posts

166 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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MX7 said:
suffolk009 said:
Degner said:
suffolk009 said:
The Twinks are lovely, but the legend will wear off. For driving now you're better off with a X-flow. You can get more power, for less money. If you're not after originality then do a Zetec.
Good god.

You do read the strangest things on these forums.
The point I was rying to make was that if I was building a car from scratch, then I wouldn't use a Twink. If I had a seven (or anything else) with a twink in it, I would indeed consider myself a lucky man. But for building something now, with a period engine, the X-flow will give you more power and reliability for less money.
I think that Degner might be talking about something else!

"Twink" is a gay slang term describing a young or young-looking gay man (18–23 age category) with a slender, ectomorph build, little or no body hair, and no facial hair.
Ooooh.

Edited by suffolk009 on Saturday 10th March 15:42

tommy vercetti

11,489 posts

164 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Looks pretty good for a 47 year old car, would change the colour though.

RichB

51,604 posts

285 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Cock Womble 7 said:
Ah, Clamshells. Much nicer than those horrid cycle wings.
confused What aspect of the car are you refering to as 'clamshells'? The usual use of this term is for a clamshell bonnet as fitted to the Frogeye Sprite and many other cars.

MX7

7,902 posts

175 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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RichB said:
Cock Womble 7 said:
Ah, Clamshells. Much nicer than those horrid cycle wings.
confused What aspect of the car are you refering to as 'clamshells'? The usual use of this term is for a clamshell bonnet as fitted to the Frogeye Sprite and many other cars.
The front wings.


Cycle wings:


Edited by MX7 on Saturday 10th March 18:00

Pat H

8,056 posts

257 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Yep

The swept wings look just like clamshells, hence the term

I seem to be in a minority these days and much prefer them to the cycle wings

RichB

51,604 posts

285 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Pat H said:
The swept wings look just like clamshells, hence the term
OK. Obviously know cycle wings but in all my years of being involved in the classic and pre-war scene I've never heard of swept wings refered to as clamshells. Must be a lotus/caterham thing...

p.s. Clamshells are in two parts and open, these don't look the least bit like clamshells biglaugh

NuisanceFactor

289 posts

185 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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RichB said:
Clamshells are in two parts and open, these don't look the least bit like clamshells biglaugh
If you put the left and right wings together, and squint...

Chilliman

11,992 posts

162 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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RichB said:
Pat H said:
The swept wings look just like clamshells, hence the term
OK. Obviously know cycle wings but in all my years of being involved in the classic and pre-war scene I've never heard of swept wings refered to as clamshells. Must be a lotus/caterham thing...

p.s. Clamshells are in two parts and open, these don't look the least bit like clamshells biglaugh
Back in the day they were referred to as gull wings.... clamshells must be a more recent term....

RichB

51,604 posts

285 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Chilliman said:
Back in the day they were referred to as gull wings.... clamshells must be a more recent term....
Yes I can see that one. smile

soad

32,909 posts

177 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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tommy vercetti said:
Looks pretty good for a 47 year old car, would change the colour though.
Rather nice, strong money though. Suppose that's rare cars for you.

Ecosseven

1,984 posts

218 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Front view of my car with clams.




RichB

51,604 posts

285 months

Saturday 10th March 2012
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Yes indeed swept wings look good.

jonnylayze

1,640 posts

227 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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Sam_68 said:
suffolk009 said:
I've often thought that Caterham are missing a trick with not doing a proper anniversary edition.
yes It wouldn't be 'authentic' Caterham (since they started with the Series 3) but I must admit, I'd be tempted by a proper Seven S1 replica with wire wheels. yum
The first Westfield was an S1 replica with wires

Sam_68

9,939 posts

246 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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jonnylayze said:
The first Westfield was an S1 replica with wires
An Eleven replica, surely?

The Midget-based S1 replicas came after the Eleven, but before the Ford-based 'pre-litigation' SE (Seven S3 replica)?

Notshortnottall

596 posts

185 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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Here's ours:



Owned since the 70's and was given a ground up restoration about 3 years ago.

Shortly for sale too.....;)

Pat H

8,056 posts

257 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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Sam_68 said:
The Midget-based S1 replicas came after the Eleven, but before the Ford-based 'pre-litigation' SE (Seven S3 replica)?
Yep.

The exterior panels on the pre-lit Westfield Seven SE were entirely made of fibreglass and it was completely Ford based, if I recall correctly.

But there was also a "missing link" between the S1 replicas and the Seven SE.

I bought my Westfield in 1985 and it was one of very few ally bodied cars that was jigged for a Marina axle, Crossflow engine and Spitfire hubs.

There was still a lot of Midget in the car. All the cooling, wiring, handbrake, etc etc.

As it retained the alloy panels of the early Westfields it looked very similar indeed to a S3 Lotus/Caterham Seven.

It was a well made car and the chassis coating and the quality of the fibreglass was definitely superior to the 1977 Caterham that I bought a few years ago.

The Westfield also retained the lower bonnet line and nose cone of the Lotus Seven S3, rather than the taller Caterham modification.

The twin trailing arms and Panhard rod rear end was also a more durable arrangement than Chapman's "A" frame.

I entirely understand why Graham Nearn had to take Chris Smith to court, but those early Westfield Sevens and Elevens, really were lovely replicas. You only need to look at the prices that Westfield Elevens command to see how well they are regarded by Lotus enthusiasts.

Given the prices that early Lotus Sevens are now (properly) commanding, there is surely a market for a sympathetic replica of the early Seven that doesn't piss all over Caterham's chips.

Here's my 1985 Westfield.




suffolk009

5,433 posts

166 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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Notshortnottall said:
Here's ours:



Owned since the 70's and was given a ground up restoration about 3 years ago.

Shortly for sale too.....;)
Yup - that's it. One of those for me. Caterham could knock them out at the same price as their entry classic. They sell dozens, maybe more.

mickrick

3,700 posts

174 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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Notshortnottall said:
Here's ours:



Owned since the 70's and was given a ground up restoration about 3 years ago.

Shortly for sale too.....;)
Oh Man! Would I like that in my garage! Who re-panelled it?

MX7

7,902 posts

175 months

Sunday 11th March 2012
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mickrick said:
Notshortnottall said:
Here's ours:



Owned since the 70's and was given a ground up restoration about 3 years ago.

Shortly for sale too.....;)
Oh Man! Would I like that in my garage! Who re-panelled it?
I'd put it in the front room.