RE: Chris Harris video: Porsche Boxster S

[AndyBrew]

Pr1964 said:

The sales staff all know it when they see the mug punters arriving..

On the other hand the "mug punters" may just be individuals whom are looking for a 2 seater open top sports car and have decided that the Porsche Boxster is on their list of possibles, and after careful consideration against other marques taking purchase price into the equation they have decided that the cost of the boxster and it's optional extras are within their budget and they feel the boxster is the best car for them???

[TOENHEEL]

Pr1964 said:

Nope
a 318d SE is
27,000
and the highest you can get it is
43,770

BMW = + 62%

The Boxster = + 80% higher AND it's only a 2 seater so all the rear extras for a 4 seater 318 series don't even figure in the extras numbers

Porsche are the "Extras.....

"Shyster Masters"

The sales staff all know it when they see the mug punters arriving..

The worst thing is when they try and sell you a used one with all that crap on it without any depreciation on the extras !

Fookin hysterical.... "yes sir the extras on this car cost 10,000 when new and that's why we're asking 10,000 more for it USED !!!! Fookin hysterical....

Thing is though your unlikely to spec every option unless of course you have money to burn so your argument is flawed really. Take a look at cars like the Golf R and new 6 series BMW by the time you add a few options they can quickly get into silly money so it's not just Porsche that's has pricey options, I see many cars on today's market that make my jaw drop when I see the price tag, it almost makes you wonder if the manufacturers know something we dont!

[HoonyPoony]

All the previous boxters to this looked st. Same at the rear as the front. This.Is.Nice!!!!!

I'd happily buy one and do some subtle modding to it.

[Grovsie26]

It erm looks like a Mk1 boxster. Funny that.

[Little Bob]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I've had a soft spot for the Boxster since it's first iteration. This has moved the game on substantially judging by this review.

I'm looking at a 987 for a weekend plaything, but I will definitely be considering one of these in a couple of years - or perhaps a Spyder...

Interesting to hear the diatribe from the anti-Porsche brigade...

[paul_k]

How many pages in the price list book?

The Panamera has over 100.

[Pugsey]

Pr1964 said:

As a previous porsche owner my experience is their cars are generally of poor build quality and often it's the customers who carry out a fair ammount of the quality control and testing.

I'd wait for a couple of years before buying any of their cars whilst the first customers sort out the problems.......

Remember porsche only offer a 2 year warranty there is a reason for that ! I know to my cost !


Remember the first Boxster is a complete engine failure just waiting to happen. Oil in the water ........ Etc etc
Smokey 997s with just 6,000 miles on the clock.


Porsche are ok whilst inside the warranty and even then you'll be fighting for a proper resolution....

I'd buy another but only as I mention above after a couple of years into a new model..

And with plenty of warranty..

Edited by Pr1964 on Saturday 17th March 08:42

Which models did you have? I've had five Porsches now - all from new - and my experiences would lead me to say the complete opposite to you.

[RichB]

Pugsey said:

Pr1964 said:

As a previous porsche owner my experience is their cars are generally of poor build quality <etc>...

Which models did you have? I've had five Porsches now - all from new - and my experiences would lead me to say the complete opposite to you.

Agreed, I'm, on my third model but I always remsark on the quality of my 924 Turbo in the 80s because even with 50k miles on the clock it still cleaned up like new.

Edited by RichB on Saturday 17th March 14:36

[WojaWabbit]

j123 said:

WojaWabbit said:

Does anyone on here know why the steering is electromechanical and not electrohydraulic?

For what its worth, I've got an MR2 Roadster, I'm looking to buy a 986/7 Boxster S soon (hopefully prices will drop a tad after this 981 has been out a few months) and I'd like to think sometime in the future I'll own a 981. So maybe Porsche have got their target market pretty well sussed.

For those wondering about the conversion from Electric to Hydraulic steering please have a read here:
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2010/07/citroen-revea...
It is very possible to do and will improve steering feel, j

Mixed up linky?

[Carl_Docklands]

Thanks for the video, very well produced and informative.

[Grovsie26]

I totally agre on the options thing. New cars these days are friggin taking the piss.

Reading this months evo the new 911 has a 1700quid option for a sports exhaust. Excuse me, but for a 70,000 grand so called famous iconic sports car i want a bloody sports exhaust thrown in.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Grovsie26 said:

I totally agre on the options thing. New cars these days are friggin taking the piss.

Reading this months evo the new 911 has a 1700quid option for a sports exhaust. Excuse me, but for a 70,000 grand so called famous iconic sports car i want a bloody sports exhaust thrown in.

and sports suspension, sports diffs etc

[Grovsie26]

Yep, exactly. It's ridiculous.

It even happens on 170k cars like the Merc SLS and 458, it's barmy.

I can understand extra's like Carbon brakes, etc, as there not exactly needed on most road cars, but sports exhausts and sports damping, they should be on the car basic.

[Urban Sports]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Grovsie26 said:

I totally agre on the options thing. New cars these days are friggin taking the piss.

Reading this months evo the new 911 has a 1700quid option for a sports exhaust. Excuse me, but for a 70,000 grand so called famous iconic sports car i want a bloody sports exhaust thrown in.

and sports suspension, sports diffs etc

There are a lot of unnecessary options that come with sports cars, Porsche are guilty more than others. IMO in a high powered roadster an LSD, lateral support seats and decent brakes should be standard, if you need sat nav because you don't know where you are going then....

[j123]

WojaWabbit said:

Mixed up linky?

No sir. But first let me congratulate you on being the first person to attempt to read the link- that is a good start! Indeed someone as over-confident as Harris (I mean hes great for talking about basic points while driving and conveying the emotion the car gives him but thats not enough- I'll take evo when they are awake instead) for example would never read such a link nor bother to comment on it.

But really its very cool as Citroen prove they can take electric steering and replace it with a hydraulic unit!

No I didn't mix anything up its in the specs down the link right here:

"BRAKES
Front Ventilated disks, 330x30mm (tarmac) and 300x30mm (gravel)
4-piston callipers
Rear 300x8mm discs
2-piston callipers
Distribution Adjustable
Handbrake Hydraulic control
SUSPENSION
Front McPherson type
Specific hinges and hub carriers
Rear H-shaped axles
Shock absorbers BOS three-track adjustable shock absorbers (low-and high-speed compression and rebound)
Adjustable hydraulic bump stop

STEERING
Type Hydraulic power-assisted steering

WHEELS
Tarmac 7x17'' wheels
BFGoodrich 200/50/R17 tyres
Gravel 6x15'' wheels
BFGoodrich 195/70/R15 tyres"

[Dave Hedgehog]

Pr1964 said:

Clarkson review todays sunday times of new 911 highlights another porsche problem.

Tyres basically if you have a puncture often there are no available replacement tyres in uk for many porsche sizes.

Form over function ...... Style over practicality.

A problem for anyone who buys a porsche as a daily drive....

Does it show contempt for customers IMO yep.



Avoid any dirty looking bits of road especially in london near skips .....



Would it really be so difficult for porsche to restrict tyre sizes to say 8 or 9 and keep them available rather than the 40 + with the list getting longer with every new model ...........

that really is poor and unnecessary tbh

[RichB]

Pr1964 said:

stuff

Your constant harping on about Porsche is tiresome in the extreme. You clearly don't like them, the cars or the company, we get that. You've made your point, fine, now move on.

[DoubleSix]

To be fair, even as a fully paid up Porsche fanboy the whole tyre issue pisses me off no end.

Porsche supplied me with a car on N1s and when i got a puncture couldn't source a new one - told me i had to replace all four!!

After much arguing they met me half way, not really a great experience.

[WojaWabbit]

j123 said:

WojaWabbit said:

Mixed up linky?

No sir. But first let me congratulate you on being the first person to attempt to read the link- that is a good start! Indeed someone as over-confident as Harris (I mean hes great for talking about basic points while driving and conveying the emotion the car gives him but thats not enough- I'll take evo when they are awake instead) for example would never read such a link nor bother to comment on it.

But really its very cool as Citroen prove they can take electric steering and replace it with a hydraulic unit!

No I didn't mix anything up its in the specs down the link right here:

"BRAKES
Front Ventilated disks, 330x30mm (tarmac) and 300x30mm (gravel)
4-piston callipers
Rear 300x8mm discs
2-piston callipers
Distribution Adjustable
Handbrake Hydraulic control
SUSPENSION
Front McPherson type
Specific hinges and hub carriers
Rear H-shaped axles
Shock absorbers BOS three-track adjustable shock absorbers (low-and high-speed compression and rebound)
Adjustable hydraulic bump stop

STEERING
Type Hydraulic power-assisted steering

WHEELS
Tarmac 7x17'' wheels
BFGoodrich 200/50/R17 tyres
Gravel 6x15'' wheels
BFGoodrich 195/70/R15 tyres"

Ah, gotcha. I did actually read the spec, noticed the hydraulic pas, figured the standard car had electric pas, but didn't see an explanation of how they converted it.

An electro-hydraulic system would reduce the alleged strain on the engine and hence the emissions. The mr2 roadster has an electric pump, driving a hydraulic steering rack. The steering in that is superb. Only problem is the pumps can give up the ghost after a time. A replacement from Mr Toyota?.......



957+ vat!

Edited by WojaWabbit on Sunday 18th March 14:51

[heebeegeetee]

The Pits said:

Completely agree. Totally outrageous! The tragedy is because so many people put up with this scandalous fleecing, other car manufacturers feel obliged to copy it.

You mean like businesses that wish to remain solvent and independent?