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I hate people who drive cars on the public road withy no insurance. It cost us 's to insure our cars, and those who dont bother either get away with it of recieve stupid, paltry fines of only a few hundred pounds if they do actually get caught. I have no sympathy for them, and if caught on the public road should recieve fines in excess of 1,000 miniumum or have their car crushed. End of.
One of my cars I broke at Donnington Park July 2011. At the time it was taxed, insured and MOT'd. It has sat on my drive ever since, the MOT and ROAD TAX EVEN are still current, no lapse. Only the insurance lapsed in September 2011, but it was busted on my private drive so safe and not being used on the road, I just let it lapse. No problem. Not being used.
Well the muppets at the DVLA see fit to fine me 100 for letting the insurance lapse without informing them, a law which I have never heard of until recieving the fine letter, even though the car has since been re-insured weeks ago in Feb and re-taxed with continuation.
While I can see this theoretical fine is a good idea, it is a lazy half hearted high-profit effort to get uninsured cars. I have a legitemate reason, but conveniently the appeal system they operate does not have a "box" to tick for my reason.
There are whole swathes of cars being used uninsured every day on the roads, I just wish the DVLA , government and Police were more pro-active in catching insurance dodgers who actually risk lives on our roads, not just pick easy targets. But then thats typical of this f****** country and it's civil servant wasters. So DVLA, enjoy your 100 from me and please feel free to fine council estate joyriders at least 100 next time for driving with no tax, insurance, MOT, licence and evading the Police during the enevitable chase.
One of my cars I broke at Donnington Park July 2011. At the time it was taxed, insured and MOT'd. It has sat on my drive ever since, the MOT and ROAD TAX EVEN are still current, no lapse. Only the insurance lapsed in September 2011, but it was busted on my private drive so safe and not being used on the road, I just let it lapse. No problem. Not being used.
Well the muppets at the DVLA see fit to fine me 100 for letting the insurance lapse without informing them, a law which I have never heard of until recieving the fine letter, even though the car has since been re-insured weeks ago in Feb and re-taxed with continuation.
While I can see this theoretical fine is a good idea, it is a lazy half hearted high-profit effort to get uninsured cars. I have a legitemate reason, but conveniently the appeal system they operate does not have a "box" to tick for my reason.
There are whole swathes of cars being used uninsured every day on the roads, I just wish the DVLA , government and Police were more pro-active in catching insurance dodgers who actually risk lives on our roads, not just pick easy targets. But then thats typical of this f****** country and it's civil servant wasters. So DVLA, enjoy your 100 from me and please feel free to fine council estate joyriders at least 100 next time for driving with no tax, insurance, MOT, licence and evading the Police during the enevitable chase.
I'm sort of in a similar situation. I'm 17 on the 31st but the insurance for my dad runs out on my Mini tomorrow. This means that even though it will stay in a locked garage, I have to SORN it for two weeks until the 31st and then re-tax it when my new insurance policy begins or I risk having a similar fine to the OPs. Needless to say I'm a bit annoyed - I was hoping to put a year's ticket on it and then drive it on my birthday but now I can't re-tax it until the 2nd April 
Calm down everyone and explain whats happening
When they brought in SORN vs noTAX they caught out many people and dealers with a car out the back
This time around to make sure theyre catching scrotes rather than the unwary here's what they said they would do
http://www.biba.org.uk/pdffiles/cieleaflet2010.pdf
Here's the letter you should receive asking you to SORN, insure or sort out the database before they fine
http://stayinsured.askmid.com/documents/ial.pdf
and here's where to complain
https://emaildvla.direct.gov.uk/emaildvla/cegemail...
not that it will do much good... but let us know what happens if you do.
The fine should be 50 if paid straight away 100 if you leave it.
You still have to buy insurance or SORN otherwise you go round again
Are they missing out on those steps?
If you have insurance when they write you the letter you should be able to say that. Also tell them ( declare) that you were not using it on road while uninsured.
It still may not help as technically you hadn't SORNed so were illegal.
When they brought in SORN vs noTAX they caught out many people and dealers with a car out the back
This time around to make sure theyre catching scrotes rather than the unwary here's what they said they would do
http://www.biba.org.uk/pdffiles/cieleaflet2010.pdf
Here's the letter you should receive asking you to SORN, insure or sort out the database before they fine
http://stayinsured.askmid.com/documents/ial.pdf
and here's where to complain
https://emaildvla.direct.gov.uk/emaildvla/cegemail...
not that it will do much good... but let us know what happens if you do.
The fine should be 50 if paid straight away 100 if you leave it.
You still have to buy insurance or SORN otherwise you go round again
Are they missing out on those steps?
If you have insurance when they write you the letter you should be able to say that. Also tell them ( declare) that you were not using it on road while uninsured.
It still may not help as technically you hadn't SORNed so were illegal.
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 17th March 15:02
This is a new one on me,cant say I knew this was the case either.I guess what they are basically saying is if you dont have insurance then you must SORN the vehicle.
I totally agree with you,it is an arse of a law.As long as the car isnt being driven on the roads then YOU ARE NOT breaking the law and they should have to prove that you have just like any other crime.
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I totally agree with you,it is an arse of a law.As long as the car isnt being driven on the roads then YOU ARE NOT breaking the law and they should have to prove that you have just like any other crime.
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kers!Nedzilla said:
As long as the car isnt being driven on the roads then YOU ARE NOT breaking the law and they should have to prove that you have just like any other crime.
Well you are breaking the law if youve no insurance and havent SORNed but see the leeway they generously give in the processHaving no insurance of course does not risk lives, however statistically people who have a car with no insurance also are more likely to have no licence, MOT or road tax. Those sorts of tts most certainly do risk lives.
I am going to pay the fine, ultimately it is my fault and I have given up trying to appeal fines. I should more carefully sift through the piles snd piles of st junk mail we recieve.They have ground me down over the years, which is what they want. So
effectively they have won. Pick the
easy targets. But that law is still an
ass.
ts most certainly do risk lives. I am going to pay the fine, ultimately it is my fault and I have given up trying to appeal fines. I should more carefully sift through the piles snd piles of s
t junk mail we recieve.They have ground me down over the years, which is what they want. So effectively they have won. Pick the
easy targets. But that law is still an
ass.
Having no insurance of course does not risk lives, however statistically people who have a car with no insurance also are more likely to have no licence, MOT or road tax. Those sorts of tts most certainly do risk lives.
I am going to pay the fine, ultimately it is my fault and I have given up trying to appeal fines. I should more carefully sift through the piles snd piles of st junk mail we recieve.They have ground me down over the years, which is what they want. So
effectively they have won. Pick the
easy targets. But that law is still an
ass.
ts most certainly do risk lives. I am going to pay the fine, ultimately it is my fault and I have given up trying to appeal fines. I should more carefully sift through the piles snd piles of s
t junk mail we recieve.They have ground me down over the years, which is what they want. So effectively they have won. Pick the
easy targets. But that law is still an
ass.
Furyblade_Lee said:
Having no insurance of course does not risk lives, however statistically people who have a car with no insurance also are more likely to have no licence, MOT or road tax. Those sorts of tts most certainly do risk lives.
I am going to pay the fine, ultimately it is my fault and I have given up trying to appeal fines. I should more carefully sift through the piles snd piles of st junk mail we recieve.They have ground me down over the years, which is what they want. So effectively they have won. Pick the easy targets. But that law is still an ass.
but.. this is a forum ts most certainly do risk lives. I am going to pay the fine, ultimately it is my fault and I have given up trying to appeal fines. I should more carefully sift through the piles snd piles of s
t junk mail we recieve.They have ground me down over the years, which is what they want. So effectively they have won. Pick the easy targets. But that law is still an ass.
Can you let us know what happened for future?
Do you think you probably junked the letter in that list?
Is the fine for 100 with 50 off for early payment?
They tried to give me a 100 fine for a car for which the insurance stopped at the end of September and was sold by mid-October. First got a warning letter and a 50 fine, and then a few weeks later the LAST CHANCE TO PAY OR RISK 1,000 FINES AND JAIL letter. Threw it in the bin as the car was no longer in my name. Never heard from them again.
Oh, and someone I know has been driving around uninsured, untaxed with no MOT since October 2009 and hasn't received any of these letters presumably because it only applies to cars which have no insurance after this new law came in. Great stuff DVLA.
Oh, and someone I know has been driving around uninsured, untaxed with no MOT since October 2009 and hasn't received any of these letters presumably because it only applies to cars which have no insurance after this new law came in. Great stuff DVLA.
I always thought this was a silly law when it came in. It will only ever catch the unwary, due to the fact that if someone is INTENTIONALLY driving without insurance, they won't think twice about making sure their car is SORN as well before driving, thus avoiding any kind of automatic fine.
Although it may appear to be a "Fine" the DVLA do not have the authority to issue one. It will be an administration charge of fee for a rule they have made up purely to add to their profit margins. Before you start banging your head against a wall have a look at "Nice letter to the DVLA" and "DVLA vs Liquid Knight" threads. I spent a year banging my head so you don't have to.
It took a letter to the Minister of Transport at the time telling him the DVLA are acting unlawfully to get them off my case. Good luck with yours.
It took a letter to the Minister of Transport at the time telling him the DVLA are acting unlawfully to get them off my case. Good luck with yours.
ensignia said:
Oh, and someone I know has been driving around uninsured, untaxed with no MOT since October 2009 and hasn't received any of these letters presumably because it only applies to cars which have no insurance after this new law came in. Great stuff DVLA.
Not quite. They haven't been fined because their car is untaxed as well.joe oliver said:
ensignia said:
Oh, and someone I know has been driving around uninsured, untaxed with no MOT since October 2009 and hasn't received any of these letters presumably because it only applies to cars which have no insurance after this new law came in. Great stuff DVLA.
Not quite. They haven't been fined because their car is untaxed as well.The car is showing as unlicensed, it's not SORN.
TRUENOSAM said:
Yep I had the same fine, I protested so they sold the debt to a bailiff company then I was getting harassed for the money. I could afford the 100 but I tried to fight paying, just paid up in the end,
You can't win
If anyone else posts this can they say if they might have received the letter firstYou can't win
http://stayinsured.askmid.com/documents/ial.pdf
so we all know
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