Another 3 pence in august what gives?
Discussion
Tyson1980 said:
MissChief said:
IMO drop tax on petrol by 10p a litre, put a pound on fags and 50p on booze. Sorted.
I agree with this. I drink and smoke once in a blue moon..It would also cut the Medical overheads this country suffers from.
Mr Gear said:
Maybe they should actually give less to the poor? You know, just give them food stamps or something instead of cash?
They obviously can't be trusted with the stuff. Give an unemployed person actual real money and they will only spend it on fuel, Sky TV and fags anyway. Benefits. Damned right they benefit.
I'm a mug for going out and earning my £££.
Sorry i forgot most of the top 1% and Daily Mail readers are actually on PistonHeads. Its depressing you lot still cant make a thread last 5 or 6 posts without blaming all the bankers mistakes on the unemployed and a tiny insignificant minority of leechers.They obviously can't be trusted with the stuff. Give an unemployed person actual real money and they will only spend it on fuel, Sky TV and fags anyway. Benefits. Damned right they benefit.
I'm a mug for going out and earning my £££.
Very poor show indeed. And by the way, since when could an unemployed person afford to have a car, put petrol in it and buy Sky TV? Doesnt matter anyway, im sure the extreme PH right will be along in a moment to tell me the top 1% are actually very poor and dont earn anything.
Diddums.
Yell_M3 said:
Another with no grasp of economics ...
Oh here we go. Another rich Tory who believes anybody who disagrees with this pathetic budget is either thick, uneducated or 'doesnt understand.'Because 'not understanding' is the only possible reason anybody could disagree with you isnt it? Because you're always right.
Unless of course you were referring to the Chancellor as he's doing such a terrible job a 7 year old with a calculator could do better.
Mr Gear said:
martin84 said:
Maybe if the Tories didnt do their usual of handing billions back to the rich and business they could afford to drop the fuel tax a bit for normal people? Just a thought.
Maybe they should actually give less to the poor? You know, just give them food stamps or something instead of cash?They obviously can't be trusted with the stuff. Give an unemployed person actual real money and they will only spend it on fuel, Sky TV and fags anyway.
martin84 said:
Sorry i forgot most of the top 1% and Daily Mail readers are actually on PistonHeads. Its depressing you lot still cant make a thread last 5 or 6 posts without blaming all the bankers mistakes on the unemployed and a tiny insignificant minority of leechers.
Very poor show indeed. And by the way, since when could an unemployed person afford to have a car, put petrol in it and buy Sky TV? Doesnt matter anyway, im sure the extreme PH right will be along in a moment to tell me the top 1% are actually very poor and dont earn anything.
Diddums.
I'm more of an Independent reader myself.Very poor show indeed. And by the way, since when could an unemployed person afford to have a car, put petrol in it and buy Sky TV? Doesnt matter anyway, im sure the extreme PH right will be along in a moment to tell me the top 1% are actually very poor and dont earn anything.
Diddums.
martin84 said:
Yell_M3 said:
Another with no grasp of economics ...
Oh here we go. Another rich Tory who believes anybody who disagrees with this pathetic budget is either thick, uneducated or 'doesnt understand.'Because 'not understanding' is the only possible reason anybody could disagree with you isnt it? Because you're always right.
Unless of course you were referring to the Chancellor as he's doing such a terrible job a 7 year old with a calculator could do better.
Mr Gear said:
martin84 said:
Maybe if the Tories didnt do their usual of handing billions back to the rich and business they could afford to drop the fuel tax a bit for normal people? Just a thought.
Maybe they should actually give less to the poor? You know, just give them food stamps or something instead of cash?They obviously can't be trusted with the stuff. Give an unemployed person actual real money and they will only spend it on fuel, Sky TV and fags anyway. Benefits. Damned right they benefit.
I'm a mug for going out and earning my £££.
My manager came back from Tesco's the other day and couldn't get over what he saw....
Standing in a self service checkout he is distracted by a little boy crying and screaming at his mum clearly needing attention. He had a toy in his hand and was trying to get him mum to purchase it for him with the shopping....
Mother turned around to the kid and says....
"Your going to have to put that back as mummy has spent all the benfits on the new Ipad"
My manager was in total shock as he was telling me this as I know how hard he's worked to purcahse his own Ipad from his wages!!
frosted said:
We are already paying £5 a pack everyday for future cancer treatments and burden on the NHS. Possibly those that never worked a day in their miserable life should pay something into the pot, castration on the NHS is a betetr idea
Has anyone pointed out that the tax take from smoking more than covers their "burden" to the NHS?Don't have the figures to hand, but it's by approximately a metric s
tload.Marf said:
Come on then Martin, give us the MartinParty budget. How would you balance the country's finances?
Well for a start its important to stress the ordinary working man/woman is not responsible for the state of the countries finances, so lumping the burden onto them while helping the rich (who dont need help) is the wrong way to go about it. Even if the 50p rate doesnt raise much, its still hugely dicey politically to give the rich any money in times like this and if Labour use this properly, it could be where Miliband's campaign starts.I'm not prepared to answer that question fully off the top of my head, if you really want me to sit down, examine figures and produce my own 'budget' I will do so. What I will say is I'd keep the 50p tax rate, abandon the 3p fuel duty increase (although even I'd struggle to find room for a cut) and remove child benefit from any household where the total income exceeds the 40% tax threshold. I think first year rates for VED should be changed and based loosely on the Australian system where you pay a percentage of the cars worth over a specific value. I'd have gone further with the Chancellor's stamp duty changes and raised it to 10% rather than 7% on houses worth over £2million.
Basically though my principle revolves around the idea that its pointless sacking public sector workers to save on their salaries if you'll only end up paying them the same in benefits instead, it does nothing for the balance sheet. The only way to repair the economy is through growth and rising employment, more people in work paying less taxes each is better than fewer people in work paying a lot of tax.
martin84 said:
Marf said:
Come on then Martin, give us the MartinParty budget. How would you balance the country's finances?
Well for a start its important to stress the ordinary working man/woman is not responsible for the state of the countries finances, so lumping the burden onto them while helping the rich (who dont need help) is the wrong way to go about it. Even if the 50p rate doesnt raise much, its still hugely dicey politically to give the rich any money in times like this and if Labour use this properly, it could be where Miliband's campaign starts.I'm not prepared to answer that question fully off the top of my head, if you really want me to sit down, examine figures and produce my own 'budget' I will do so. What I will say is I'd keep the 50p tax rate, abandon the 3p fuel duty increase (although even I'd struggle to find room for a cut) and remove child benefit from any household where the total income exceeds the 40% tax threshold. I think first year rates for VED should be changed and based loosely on the Australian system where you pay a percentage of the cars worth over a specific value. I'd have gone further with the Chancellor's stamp duty changes and raised it to 10% rather than 7% on houses worth over £2million.
Basically though my principle revolves around the idea that its pointless sacking public sector workers to save on their salaries if you'll only end up paying them the same in benefits instead, it does nothing for the balance sheet. The only way to repair the economy is through growth and rising employment, more people in work paying less taxes each is better than fewer people in work paying a lot of tax.
Gaz. said:
Yet you prove him right with every post.
Our biggest single expense as a nation is welfare.
Even thats not true. Please get your facts right. Welfare is the nations third biggest expense. Pensions are the Treasuries biggest expense - although the news channels often lump pensions and benefits in together to make it look like the unemployed are taking more than they are - and the NHS is our second biggest expense.Our biggest single expense as a nation is welfare.
What idiot told you welfare was the biggest expense?
crofty1984 said:
Has anyone pointed out that the tax take from smoking more than covers their "burden" to the NHS?
Don't have the figures to hand, but it's by approximately a metric stload.
Plus the decrease in pensions due to the decreased life expectancy. Given how big a problem pensions are becoming we should be encouraging smoking not trying to price people out of it.Don't have the figures to hand, but it's by approximately a metric s
tload.martin84 said:
Even thats not true. Please get your facts right. Welfare is the nations third biggest expense. Pensions are the Treasuries biggest expense - although the news channels often lump pensions and benefits in together to make it look like the unemployed are taking more than they are - and the NHS is our second biggest expense.
What idiot told you welfare was the biggest expense?
We pay more in welfare than is taken in income tax. If you think that is "OK" then you're in fantasy land.What idiot told you welfare was the biggest expense?
Marf said:
So basically, an ideological budget in ignorance of the financial effects. Cool, rock on.
How does kicking the poor and handing tax breaks to the rich aid the economy? If you think the rich tax avoiders will all of a sudden rock up at the HMRC to pay all their tax now the 50p rate is gone you're sadly mistaken. If you think they've purposely been holding their businesses back to avoid paying tax you're sadly mistaken - big business people always want a growing business.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff