RE: PH Fleet update: Golf GTI Edition 35

RE: PH Fleet update: Golf GTI Edition 35

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y2blade

56,127 posts

216 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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I love this "new" phase PH is going through. smile
6months ago a PHer would laughed out of a thread in General Gassing for mentioning VW Golf (seen by many narrow minded fools as the dullest thing on four wheels)!



More Golfs and more diesels please yes

va1o

16,032 posts

208 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Both excellent cars but I reckon the every-day use the GTD is the better all rounder. Prices have got a bit silly though given similarly powered 1-series and A3s can be had for less (albeit without as much equipment).

WCZ

10,537 posts

195 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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y2blade said:
I love this "new" phase PH is going through. smile
6months ago a PHer would laughed out of a thread in General Gassing for mentioning VW Golf (seen by many narrow minded fools as the dullest thing on four wheels)!



More Golfs and more diesels please yes
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sanctum

191 posts

176 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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When you do the maths, the improved diesel economy is offset by the higher pump prices and higher initial vehicle cost. For every penny you're saving in fuel each year, the depreciaition is taking a chunk of that away.
Doing the maths, over 3 years, about 12000miles per year, 50% retained value, diesel and petrol work out costing about the same.
My 6k per year means a diesel would cost me more than £1000/yr extra to run if I bought new.

I thought this was Pistonheads, not Pumpheads? Petrol every time please.

emicen

8,596 posts

219 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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sanctum said:
When you do the maths, the improved diesel economy is offset by the higher pump prices and higher initial vehicle cost. For every penny you're saving in fuel each year, the depreciaition is taking a chunk of that away.
Doing the maths, over 3 years, about 12000miles per year, 50% retained value, diesel and petrol work out costing about the same.
My 6k per year means a diesel would cost me more than £1000/yr extra to run if I bought new.

I thought this was Pistonheads, not Pumpheads? Petrol every time please.
Maybe PH isnt being so insular anymore?

The higher initial price is balanced off with higher residuals in most cases. In the case of the 2 cars above, running an Ed35 on SUL vs a GTD on derv would cost me over £2100 a year more in fuel. Factor in the higher road tax and generally more frequent servicing of petrol models, you're looking at £2500 a year.

225

1,331 posts

227 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Well I fell for the thinking a modern TD would be more economical that a petrol.
We (Mrs and I) had not need a car for some time (living overseas as well) and when the time came again last year we did not know really where we were going to live (London or else where) so we though sensible but fun hatch so went for a Leon FR CR170 TDI, it has the same engine as the golf GTD and basically the same underpinnings.

For what we use it for shortish journeys with the odd long one thrown in it averages about 30mpg, on a motorway I can get it up to about 43mpg but that's not not driving in economy mode shall we say.

What has stung me is the price of derv over petrol, we only do about 9k miles a year so no where near enough to justify the higher price.

I am looking to change soon and will with out a doubt be a petrol again, plus I much prefer a big petrol or turbo charged petrol over a derv.

These MPG figures from manufacturers are a joke, I cant believe people still fall for them

Colonial

13,553 posts

206 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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mikey k said:
Interesting I guess the Golf R suffers the same "issue"
But the price differential between unleaded and diesel makes less of a difference.
Based on my local fuel prices and VW's combined cycle figures there is £1,445/yr in it over 25k/yr.
I think I'd go with the petrol version for when I can find some nice clear B roads wink
I'm getting better fuel economy out if my R.

Jimbo_vx

326 posts

237 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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I get around 600miles from my GTD, which usually takes 48-50L to fill up. Thats an average of 55mpg. I don't drive it particularly hard, but i don't hand around either. A lot of it is 75mph motorway, but i also do around 25miles a day of a 90mile commute on A roads.

The only thing i've noticed today, after nearly 10k in it (in 4 months) the front tyres aren't going to go an awful lot further, prob a couple of mm left before the markers. luckily i don't pay for them.

dvance

605 posts

169 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Colonial said:
I'm getting better fuel economy out if my R.
Heck, I am getting better fuel economy out of my 11 year old VR5 engine. Every weekend I do about 60 miles on nice twisty A roads without being too sparing with the throttle, and I always get low 30s mpg (and that's with at least 1 passenger, and two bikes).

Snowman23

254 posts

206 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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I test drove a GTD when deciding betweent that and the GTI, I found it too smooth, it was quick but didn't feel it. This may have partly been down to the DSG, but having come from a 120d, I couldn't resist the charms of the GTI.


Jimbo_vx

326 posts

237 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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dvance said:
Heck, I am getting better fuel economy out of my 11 year old VR5 engine. Every weekend I do about 60 miles on nice twisty A roads without being too sparing with the throttle, and I always get low 30s mpg (and that's with at least 1 passenger, and two bikes).
yeah with about half the power.

frosted

3,549 posts

178 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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225 said:
Well I fell for the thinking a modern TD would be more economical that a petrol.
We (Mrs and I) had not need a car for some time (living overseas as well) and when the time came again last year we did not know really where we were going to live (London or else where) so we though sensible but fun hatch so went for a Leon FR CR170 TDI, it has the same engine as the golf GTD and basically the same underpinnings.

For what we use it for shortish journeys with the odd long one thrown in it averages about 30mpg, on a motorway I can get it up to about 43mpg but that's not not driving in economy mode shall we say.

What has stung me is the price of derv over petrol, we only do about 9k miles a year so no where near enough to justify the higher price.

I am looking to change soon and will with out a doubt be a petrol again, plus I much prefer a big petrol or turbo charged petrol over a derv.

These MPG figures from manufacturers are a joke, I cant believe people still fall for them
Basically you can run a full car or estate with 140 bhp upwards for the same sort of money as running a 70-90 bhp petrol supermini even in London , the difference on A roads is even bigger IMO. Manual diesels do suck in slow moving traffic and currently toying with the idea of getting a re map to improve things.



Hub

6,440 posts

199 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Forgive me if this is an insult to your intelligence, but is the Edition 35 being run on 98/99 RON? Seems to make quite a difference.

I find that round town trips or short journeys really crucify the mpg figures on the MK5 GTI, but on longer trips low-mid 30s is easily attainable.

sanctum

191 posts

176 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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emicen said:
The higher initial price is balanced off with higher residuals in most cases. In the case of the 2 cars above, running an Ed35 on SUL vs a GTD on derv would cost me over £2100 a year more in fuel. Factor in the higher road tax and generally more frequent servicing of petrol models, you're looking at £2500 a year.
I figured two similar cars would retain the same % after 3 years. That's all very dependent on the vehicle and this is just a gassing forum, so I massively simplified it. The higher initial price means you lose more over the three years if it depreciates by the same %.
Your savings from diesel only appear if you drive more than 12k per year, and they don't ramp up very steeply. Sorry if I didn't make my point clearly, but I just wanted to show that diesel isn't automatically the cheaper alternative.

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

158 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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I like these threads. They make me feel much happier about the 28mpg average and 32 on a run I get from my 1.7ton 4WD Mazda 6 MPS daily driver. smile

Cookievts

100 posts

179 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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A good friend of mine got better mpg out of his ed 35 after a remap, I don't have any figures however.

Regards

bakerstreet

4,766 posts

166 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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sanctum said:
When you do the maths, the improved diesel economy is offset by the higher pump prices and higher initial vehicle cost. For every penny you're saving in fuel each year, the depreciaition is taking a chunk of that away.
Doing the maths, over 3 years, about 12000miles per year, 50% retained value, diesel and petrol work out costing about the same.
My 6k per year means a diesel would cost me more than £1000/yr extra to run if I bought new.

I thought this was Pistonheads, not Pumpheads? Petrol every time please.
Your basing your calculations on your low annual mileage. when the miles go up by a serious amount, diesel makes sense. It really is that simple. When I had a company Golf a fews year ago. I found I was financially better off with an annual mileage of only 13k. I'm doing about 18k now and I'm certainly better off with a diesel.

Economy is now a major factor when choosing a new car. All you have to do is scan through the 'What Car' threads that come up here and there often ask about economy. I think all this talk of diesel being the juice of the devil is antiquated IMO. Why do you think the values of things like the 540i are plummeting?? Its not just Petrol either. Diesels with poor economy are also fallnig in value. The Mitsubishi Pajero is terrible on fuel and I think thats another reason why they have dropped in price.

Riggers

1,859 posts

179 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Hub said:
Forgive me if this is an insult to your intelligence, but is the Edition 35 being run on 98/99 RON? Seems to make quite a difference.

I find that round town trips or short journeys really crucify the mpg figures on the MK5 GTI, but on longer trips low-mid 30s is easily attainable.
We have been mostly running it on 95, with the occasional tank of super. I'll put a couple of tanks of Super in over the next couple of weeks to see if it makes a significant difference.

Given that 98/99 RON is about 5 per cent dearer than 95 RON, it would need to be a marked difference... we shall see...

Bitzer

4,243 posts

169 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Riggers said:
Hub said:
Forgive me if this is an insult to your intelligence, but is the Edition 35 being run on 98/99 RON? Seems to make quite a difference.

I find that round town trips or short journeys really crucify the mpg figures on the MK5 GTI, but on longer trips low-mid 30s is easily attainable.
We have been mostly running it on 95, with the occasional tank of super. I'll put a couple of tanks of Super in over the next couple of weeks to see if it makes a significant difference.

Given that 98/99 RON is about 5 per cent dearer than 95 RON, it would need to be a marked difference... we shall see...
I don't notice any difference in MPG by using 95/97/98 or 99 in my MK5 Golf GTi.

Motorrad

6,811 posts

188 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Riggers said:
We have been mostly running it on 95, with the occasional tank of super. I'll put a couple of tanks of Super in over the next couple of weeks to see if it makes a significant difference.

Given that 98/99 RON is about 5 per cent dearer than 95 RON, it would need to be a marked difference... we shall see...
The FSi engine I had in my MK5GTi was about 10% worse on 95 ron than 99 in terms of fuel consumption (going on fuel receipts/mileage on a fairly consistent run). As far as I'm aware to run in the most efficient 'fuel stratified injection' mode it needs higher octane fuel.

I have no idea what the premium for that is these days in the UK but possibly worth it.