RE: PH Fleet update: Golf GTI Edition 35
Discussion
Hahaha. I'm sorry and Im sure I sound like a t
t to most, but a diesel Golf is not and never will be an enthusiasts car. Nothing against those that own them etc etc, but its a well designed product, its not something to be enjoyed as much as their may be some elements enjoyable about them. And this is an enthusiasts site, so I stick by my words 
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t to most, but a diesel Golf is not and never will be an enthusiasts car. Nothing against those that own them etc etc, but its a well designed product, its not something to be enjoyed as much as their may be some elements enjoyable about them. And this is an enthusiasts site, so I stick by my words .Put the cliches away, I enjoy the mans humour but most of what he says about cars angers me to a point its best I dont watch TG in the presence of others 
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And not this model no, driven a more lowly MK6 diesel and one of the of the current Leon 2.0 Tdi (CR I think?), and theyre just not drivers cars. Of course its only my opinion, but Ive learnt from personal experience and of those around me that performance doesnt come cheap and frugal. These try to strafe that, and they fail on that and the fact its reflected in the way they drive, power delivery for example. Its characterless.
I ran a 306 TD for a while as a daily (completely aware its massively industrial/ancient compared to these), but it was a right giggle in some ways to hustle about, but never in a proper intense way, its all about the slug of boost. Modern diesel 'sports' hatches will always run on the same principle because of the nature of the fuel, technology and innovation just round off some of the edges. Diesel TT's are the same, and again Ive driven one, they just arent as connected as a proper petrol engine.
Im all about experience over performance though to be fair in the way I rate things are probably a bit 'right wing', but I just find these cars to be far too much of a 'very good at everything but great at nothing that should really matter' case to enjoy. Just because it can be used to perform doesnt mean it should. Theyre the dildo of the car world!
.And not this model no, driven a more lowly MK6 diesel and one of the of the current Leon 2.0 Tdi (CR I think?), and theyre just not drivers cars. Of course its only my opinion, but Ive learnt from personal experience and of those around me that performance doesnt come cheap and frugal. These try to strafe that, and they fail on that and the fact its reflected in the way they drive, power delivery for example. Its characterless.
I ran a 306 TD for a while as a daily (completely aware its massively industrial/ancient compared to these), but it was a right giggle in some ways to hustle about, but never in a proper intense way, its all about the slug of boost. Modern diesel 'sports' hatches will always run on the same principle because of the nature of the fuel, technology and innovation just round off some of the edges. Diesel TT's are the same, and again Ive driven one, they just arent as connected as a proper petrol engine.
Im all about experience over performance though to be fair in the way I rate things are probably a bit 'right wing', but I just find these cars to be far too much of a 'very good at everything but great at nothing that should really matter' case to enjoy
. Just because it can be used to perform doesnt mean it should. Theyre the dildo of the car world!
Johnboy Mac said:
Truly excellent real world mpg. At that rate it brings into question why buy a diesel 3 Series?, if buying used.
Exactly my point! Edited by Johnboy Mac on Monday 26th March 17:44
Thing is, you learn how to drive it economically. Don't get me wrong, you could put your foot down all day, and the economy would go down to 26 - 28mpg.
With the fuel prices the way they are, I just drive it sensibly so as to get the most mileage per fill. I'm doing 750 miles a week, so wouldn't be cheap if I drove it like a stole it.
Now and then, it is fun p1ssing off some t*sser who's up your a55 in a 2.0 TDI Sline, and leaving him in a small cloud of soot!
Repent said:
More Golf's? 
This is Pistonheads, not Utilityheads. Leave these cars to WhatCar and co.
I agree with you !This is Pistonheads, not Utilityheads. Leave these cars to WhatCar and co.
The Golf GTD makes sense. It offers decent performance with the potential for great economy.
The Golf GTI is a nice car, but the fuel consumption is unacceptable. The whole point of a Golf is that it is practical while being economically sensible - MPG struggling around 30 is just not good enough.
I fail to see the appeal.
Both cars are essentially white goods. As interesting as a washing machine. But at least the GTD has the benefit of economy. The GTi is not cheap to run. So what is the point of it?
mikebradford said:
my wife has a golf GT Tdi 2.0
2 years old manual gearbox, and she averages about 51/52 mpg a week
she does approx 24k miles a year, half on motorway, and shes more often in the outside lane, the rest is trafic in small towns etc
so im very pleased with the mpg we get out of it
got rid of my focus ST2 as it averaged 21mpg, to be fair it avergaed 21mpg regardless of how fast i went.
Fair play, but alot of them don't live up to the mpg claims.2 years old manual gearbox, and she averages about 51/52 mpg a week
she does approx 24k miles a year, half on motorway, and shes more often in the outside lane, the rest is trafic in small towns etc
so im very pleased with the mpg we get out of it
got rid of my focus ST2 as it averaged 21mpg, to be fair it avergaed 21mpg regardless of how fast i went.
Besides, your's is a 2.0 4 pot, whereas the 530d has a creamy 3.0 6 cylinder lump. You'd expect the VAG lump to deliver that sort of economy, but not the 530d!
toppstuff said:
Repent said:
More Golf's?
This is Pistonheads, not Utilityheads. Leave these cars to WhatCar and co.
I agree with you !This is Pistonheads, not Utilityheads. Leave these cars to WhatCar and co.
The Golf GTD makes sense. It offers decent performance with the potential for great economy.
The Golf GTI is a nice car, but the fuel consumption is unacceptable. The whole point of a Golf is that it is practical while being economically sensible - MPG struggling around 30 is just not good enough.
I fail to see the appeal.
Both cars are essentially white goods. As interesting as a washing machine. But at least the GTD has the benefit of economy. The GTi is neither economical nor cheap to run. So what is the point of it?
its therefore the best car
and now you can get the best car powered by satan's juice for those who cant afford the payments and the fuel bill
all is well in the world
pSyCoSiS said:
Johnboy Mac said:
Truly excellent real world mpg. At that rate it brings into question why buy a diesel 3 Series?, if buying used.
Exactly my point! Edited by Johnboy Mac on Monday 26th March 17:44
Thing is, you learn how to drive it economically. Don't get me wrong, you could put your foot down all day, and the economy would go down to 26 - 28mpg.
With the fuel prices the way they are, I just drive it sensibly so as to get the most mileage per fill. I'm doing 750 miles a week, so wouldn't be cheap if I drove it like a stole it.
Now and then, it is fun p1ssing off some t*sser who's up your a55 in a 2.0 TDI Sline, and leaving him in a small cloud of soot!
I Agree 100%
Dave Hedgehog said:
its a golf
its therefore the best car
and now you can get the best car powered by satan's juice for those who cant afford the payments and the fuel bill
all is well in the world
My AEG tumble dryer is also German and painted white. It is probably the best tumble dryer. It is just as interesting as a Golf.its therefore the best car
and now you can get the best car powered by satan's juice for those who cant afford the payments and the fuel bill
all is well in the world
emicen said:
My dads old E39 530d used to reliably return 48ish on the M8 commute. Glasgow-Edinburgh-Glasgow including his "antics" [Friday night heading home is officially drive it like you stole it night!]
That was a manual 5sp car, so the earlier 184hp unit.
There you go!That was a manual 5sp car, so the earlier 184hp unit.
And newer 194bhp unit is slightly better on fuel than the older one.
Wonderful counterpoint there.For folks who think that's bad, try this on for size.
I have a 2010 Astra 1.6T - the 180 PS engine.
My commute is 40 miles each way round the M25 with a schlep up the A217. So that's all either 40mph or as fast as the M25 will let you go - 40-70mph.
Average consumption for a tank? 34mpg, and that's from the trip computer because I'm too lazy to work it out manually.
On the Astra forums there are reports of members getting as low as 25mpg as their average for urban driving.
Makes the Ed35 seem like a bargain!
After a few weeks with the car I was gutted and seriously considering finding a way to get back into a diesel. (I'd been in a Mk5 Golf GT Tdi 140 previously.) Doing so would have cost us a pretty penny so I'm doing my best to just enjoy having a ridiculously well specced tepid hatch and hang on to it for a couple more years.
I have a 2010 Astra 1.6T - the 180 PS engine.
My commute is 40 miles each way round the M25 with a schlep up the A217. So that's all either 40mph or as fast as the M25 will let you go - 40-70mph.
Average consumption for a tank? 34mpg, and that's from the trip computer because I'm too lazy to work it out manually.
On the Astra forums there are reports of members getting as low as 25mpg as their average for urban driving.
Makes the Ed35 seem like a bargain!
After a few weeks with the car I was gutted and seriously considering finding a way to get back into a diesel. (I'd been in a Mk5 Golf GT Tdi 140 previously.) Doing so would have cost us a pretty penny so I'm doing my best to just enjoy having a ridiculously well specced tepid hatch and hang on to it for a couple more years.
IMHO, PH's GTI 35 has an engine management fault - it should be hitting mid-30s mpg on a long-run. VAG 2.0Ts and 1.8Ts are off-boost when cruising and are geared for approx 26mph/1000rpm in 6th, so mid-30s should be possible with ease.
IME, and having sniffed around on various VW, SEAT and Audi forums, it seems that if a 1.8T or 2.0T only manages late-20s on a run, then it's indicative something's amiss - and all-too common.
Worth having the MAF's readings checked - it's a notoriously flakey component on VAG cars, new and old alike.
IME, and having sniffed around on various VW, SEAT and Audi forums, it seems that if a 1.8T or 2.0T only manages late-20s on a run, then it's indicative something's amiss - and all-too common.
Worth having the MAF's readings checked - it's a notoriously flakey component on VAG cars, new and old alike.
NGK210 said:
IMHO, PH's GTI 35 has an engine management fault - it should be hitting mid-30s mpg on a long-run. VAG 2.0Ts and 1.8Ts are off-boost when cruising and are geared for approx 26mph/1000rpm in 6th, so mid-30s should be possible with ease.
IME, and having sniffed around on various VW, SEAT and Audi forums, it seems that if a 1.8T or 2.0T only manages late-20s on a run, then it's indicative something's amiss - and all-too common.
Worth having the MAF's readings checked - it's a notoriously flakey component on VAG cars, new and old alike.
Interesting post.IME, and having sniffed around on various VW, SEAT and Audi forums, it seems that if a 1.8T or 2.0T only manages late-20s on a run, then it's indicative something's amiss - and all-too common.
Worth having the MAF's readings checked - it's a notoriously flakey component on VAG cars, new and old alike.
We shall investigate...
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