RE: Driven: Subaru BRZ
Discussion
spameister said:
The article says "thinking very much about the possibility of a turbocharger." It does not say it is in the works.
Also "Subaru says that it will not turbocharge the engine as there is no space at the front of the engine bay for an intercooler."
From http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/...
No but there is space on the top where Subaru's generally place their intercoolers. Also according to the article they claim to like to reserve turbo engines for the wrx and sti but there have been number of turbo legacies in the past and it's not so distant. I would bet money that they have a faster version in the works at the moment.Also "Subaru says that it will not turbocharge the engine as there is no space at the front of the engine bay for an intercooler."
From http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/...
DoctorWhom said:
Also according to the article they claim to like to reserve turbo engines for the wrx and sti but there have been number of turbo legacies in the past and it's not so distant.
There are/have been turbo versions of every Legacy including the current one, its not just in the past! 
Edited by GravelBen on Friday 30th March 05:49
bicycleshorts said:
StormLoaded said:
regarding 0-60 (62?) mph times, apparently there is an extra gearchange required as max speed in 2nd gear is 59.x mph
Yup, and it's nice to see that they've gone for a better drive rather than changing the gearing for 0-60 times.elementad said:
Think a few sports cars have been doing that for a while. My old EP3 Type R would only hit 60 in third gear.
The Hondata kpro ecu upgrade sorts that, increase the rev limit by 500rpm and you can get 60 in second. Not relevant I know but you never know when the info may come in use to someone 
DanDC5 said:
elementad said:
Think a few sports cars have been doing that for a while. My old EP3 Type R would only hit 60 in third gear.
The Hondata kpro ecu upgrade sorts that, increase the rev limit by 500rpm and you can get 60 in second. Not relevant I know but you never know when the info may come in use to someone garycat said:
I wonder what the insurance will be for the FT86/BRZ. It is marketed essentially as a drift car for the road so if it attracts the kind of customer who thinks they can drift on their local damp roundabout there's going to be a lot of claims.
Suspect that it might be affordable for grown-ups and a bit pricey for kids.There will almost definitely be a faster version of this car in the future, they're not going to suddenly get 120bhp/litre out of the engine like an F20C S2000 engine so they will turbocharge it. Of course they don't want prospective buyers to think a much faster version is just around the corner. There may be some N/A purists (and I might be one of them) that would still buy the 200bhp version knowing a more expensive 250/280bhp turbocharged version is just around the corner but you can bet that most buyers would wait. Saying that, Mazda never did it with the MX-5, not even through an official aftermarket tuner tie up so I could be wrong. Toyota/Subaru have said that they intend aftermarket tuners to go at it so maybe they will rely on them to please all the customers put off by the lack of straight line performance.
At first I was a nay-sayer of this car, I stupidly compared it's engine spec and on paper acceleration times to a Renaultsport Clio, but I have been converted. I realise now what this car is about and I think it's very clever and actually very important. I might not be bowled over by the aesthetics but it doesn't matter that much, you're never going to please everybody and I think the looks are designed to appeal to a younger audience. This is a car that will be cheap to run and insure, ultra reliable, have a decent amount of everyday practicality, and most importantly of all, fun to drive. In the old school, almost forgotten sense of low weight, simple RWD drivetrain, narrow section tyres and great steering.
This is the point, if it came out with 280bhp and forced induction it would need bigger tyres which would ruin it's whole ethos of delicate handling, it would use more fuel and hence cost more to tax and run, cost a lot more to insure (removing the young driver target audience) and be forced to compete with the Porsche Cayman/BMW Z4 at higher price points purely because it has comparable or better straight line performance.
At first I was a nay-sayer of this car, I stupidly compared it's engine spec and on paper acceleration times to a Renaultsport Clio, but I have been converted. I realise now what this car is about and I think it's very clever and actually very important. I might not be bowled over by the aesthetics but it doesn't matter that much, you're never going to please everybody and I think the looks are designed to appeal to a younger audience. This is a car that will be cheap to run and insure, ultra reliable, have a decent amount of everyday practicality, and most importantly of all, fun to drive. In the old school, almost forgotten sense of low weight, simple RWD drivetrain, narrow section tyres and great steering.
This is the point, if it came out with 280bhp and forced induction it would need bigger tyres which would ruin it's whole ethos of delicate handling, it would use more fuel and hence cost more to tax and run, cost a lot more to insure (removing the young driver target audience) and be forced to compete with the Porsche Cayman/BMW Z4 at higher price points purely because it has comparable or better straight line performance.
BRZ independently figured here:
http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz/2013/2013-sub...
"Best launch rpm = 3,500-3,700. Rev limiter hits in 2nd gear at 59.2 mph, forcing the 2-3 shift just before the 60-mph milestone and significantly increasing the 0-60 time."
http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz/2013/2013-sub...
"Best launch rpm = 3,500-3,700. Rev limiter hits in 2nd gear at 59.2 mph, forcing the 2-3 shift just before the 60-mph milestone and significantly increasing the 0-60 time."
ljp14 said:
Why is it so slow?
Because... Speed KILLS! Or because they don't want You to buy one...
For others:
Subaru's advertised figures for the WRX and STi were always near a half second slower than the magazines (and customers
) would do. Be careful about 0-60Mph v. 0-62 or 0-100Kmh times. It's an important difference.
If nobody buys them new, there will be no used ones.
It looks Korean because the Koreans are the ones to worry about right now.
If you think its too ugly, get the Subie. No-one really expects a Subaru to be pretty!
In the US a BRZ will cost barely 2/3rds of a 370Z(also plenty ugly) and 1/3rd of a Cay-xter!
So why don't they build some already!
pilchardthecat said:
Marf said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Hellbound said:
So really, we should be waiting for the circa-250hp (still NA, still RWD) BRZ. Subaru engineers have already said it's possible, with some breathing changes etc.
That won't be any less peaky though, surely? In which case not for me. MiseryStreak said:
There will almost definitely be a faster version of this car in the future, they're not going to suddenly get 120bhp/litre out of the engine like an F20C S2000 engine so they will turbocharge it. Of course they don't want prospective buyers to think a much faster version is just around the corner. There may be some N/A purists (and I might be one of them) that would still buy the 200bhp version knowing a more expensive 250/280bhp turbocharged version is just around the corner but you can bet that most buyers would wait. Saying that, Mazda never did it with the MX-5, not even through an official aftermarket tuner tie up so I could be wrong.
You're not counting the Mazda MX5 BBR turbo conversions then? They came with a dealer warranty didn't they and were Mazda sanctioned?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff