RE: PH Carpool: Range Rover Evoque SD4
Discussion
Personally I like the Evoque , whether other people see it as a fashion item or a womans car means nothing to me.
Sadly after sitting in one after my Freelander 2 I find that the way the upper doors curve in and the (perceived?) lower roof line which I`m sure some find cocooning , freaks me out and makes me feel claustrophobic. This isn`t helped by the imo poor visibility , the A pillars and the letterbox windscreen (reminds me of an Alfa GTV).
Again , all imo and in comparison to a Freelander 2 - if I could get past these things I`d buy one as I think they are a really nice car and
I appreciate them as such.
Sadly after sitting in one after my Freelander 2 I find that the way the upper doors curve in and the (perceived?) lower roof line which I`m sure some find cocooning , freaks me out and makes me feel claustrophobic. This isn`t helped by the imo poor visibility , the A pillars and the letterbox windscreen (reminds me of an Alfa GTV).
Again , all imo and in comparison to a Freelander 2 - if I could get past these things I`d buy one as I think they are a really nice car and
I appreciate them as such.
nickfrog said:
Problem with a tall driver is that rear legroom will be massively compromised, as it's very limited as it is. The boot is tiny and shallow due to the 4wd stuff (even on 2wd versions) so all in all it's smaller than a Golf inside.
We looked at it but bought a better equipped and crucially much bigger Nissan Qashqai+2 for almost half the price (with a big broker discount that may help towards worse residuals in % terms). I think the Evoque is good looking but we don't care about image enough to want something that looks so ostentatiously middle-class...
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I wouldn't say the RRE boot is tiny at all - it is quite wide. We looked at it but bought a better equipped and crucially much bigger Nissan Qashqai+2 for almost half the price (with a big broker discount that may help towards worse residuals in % terms). I think the Evoque is good looking but we don't care about image enough to want something that looks so ostentatiously middle-class...
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RRE 5 door rear seats up: 575 litres
RRE 5 door rear seats down: 1445 litres
Qashqai+2 rear seats up: 450 litres (assuming not using third row which reduces to 130 litres)
Qashqai+2 rear seats down: 1520 litres
So the Qashqai+2 does indeed have a larger luggage capacity with an extra 75 litres if you put the middle row rear seats down...great for taking rubbish to the tip but with 4 people in the car the RRE has a larger boot!
Not knocking the Qashqai, it is a handsome, well specced car that I like.
steveq135 said:
Personally I like the Evoque , whether other people see it as a fashion item or a womans car means nothing to me.
Sadly after sitting in one after my Freelander 2 I find that the way the upper doors curve in and the (perceived?) lower roof line which I`m sure some find cocooning , freaks me out and makes me feel claustrophobic. This isn`t helped by the imo poor visibility , the A pillars and the letterbox windscreen (reminds me of an Alfa GTV).
Again , all imo and in comparison to a Freelander 2 - if I could get past these things I`d buy one as I think they are a really nice car and
I appreciate them as such.
Absolutely, the RRE can feel claustrophobic - especially for those sitting in the back. However, the panoramic glass roof eliminates this - at least for me and my family. I closed the blind to compare and the kids in the back immediately felt like they were too enclosed. Blind open however and they didn't feel claustrophobic at all. Sadly after sitting in one after my Freelander 2 I find that the way the upper doors curve in and the (perceived?) lower roof line which I`m sure some find cocooning , freaks me out and makes me feel claustrophobic. This isn`t helped by the imo poor visibility , the A pillars and the letterbox windscreen (reminds me of an Alfa GTV).
Again , all imo and in comparison to a Freelander 2 - if I could get past these things I`d buy one as I think they are a really nice car and
I appreciate them as such.
I would highly recommend the panoramic roof as essential.
My Dad currently drives a Toyota Land Cruiser V8 and a LR Defender having had a Discovery 3 before that and he likes to tell me the RRE is a girls car...but then he lives in South Africa and does serious long haul off-roading trips regularly. If I lived there I'd also have a more capable 4x4. But the RRE is just a great combination of 4x4 / tarmac cruiser for the UK roads and my needs. The D4's additional abilities were wasted.
My choice came down to the Freelander 2, BMW X3 and the RRE. I chose the RRE because it was the most fun to drive, best interior and equipment, most luxurious and best looking in my opinion.
Ftumpch said:
Ugh. I take the very fact that this car has been productionised at all to be nothing less than a sign that a) the world has gone mad, b) economic development is long past reaching its zenith and is hurtling inexorably downhill, and c) anyone who buys one has clearly lost touch with reality.
I love cars just as much as Mr Cox and most other PH readers, but I would seriously suggest that here we have an example of an utterly pointless product which people could only talk themselves into buying if they existed inside a moral vacuum and had far more money than they know what to do with. If you must have an off-road-capable car then please, for the good of humanity, get yourself a 10-year-old Subaru Forester instead, and donate the difference to helping out the disadvantaged, or towards research into energy efficiency. Buy and Evoque by contrast, and you are committing an anti-social act of ethical, environmental, economic, and aesthetic negligence and vandalism. Tell me I'm wrong!!
If this is your genuine opinion, and not just a wind up, It makes me want an Evoque even more. I love cars just as much as Mr Cox and most other PH readers, but I would seriously suggest that here we have an example of an utterly pointless product which people could only talk themselves into buying if they existed inside a moral vacuum and had far more money than they know what to do with. If you must have an off-road-capable car then please, for the good of humanity, get yourself a 10-year-old Subaru Forester instead, and donate the difference to helping out the disadvantaged, or towards research into energy efficiency. Buy and Evoque by contrast, and you are committing an anti-social act of ethical, environmental, economic, and aesthetic negligence and vandalism. Tell me I'm wrong!!
rtz62 said:
I agree with the 2nd post; something very large has sat on it.
Even my kids, 5 & 6 point at them and laugh with their hands over ther mouths; imagine the embarrassment of the driver / fashion victim being laughed at by such young kids.
And, I'd never have ANYTHING that has Victoria Beckham remotely connected to it, the skinny, miserable talentless tart. (can't bring myself to call her by her subriquet 'posh' as she posh compared to what? Jodie Marsh?!?!)
Most 5 and 6 year olds couldn't care less what anyone else drives, let alone laugh at them.Even my kids, 5 & 6 point at them and laugh with their hands over ther mouths; imagine the embarrassment of the driver / fashion victim being laughed at by such young kids.
And, I'd never have ANYTHING that has Victoria Beckham remotely connected to it, the skinny, miserable talentless tart. (can't bring myself to call her by her subriquet 'posh' as she posh compared to what? Jodie Marsh?!?!)
With opinions like those you need to ask who are the real victims....
To those stating that LR should never have built this car, would any of you have the guts to say that to the near 1500 people who now find themselves in gainful employment purely because of this car? The RRE may not appeal to you car sensitivities but by the same token that is probably why you are not running a highly successful car company or are ever likely too.
The management at LR have taken a very bold and almost unprecedented move in productionising a concept car. How many times have we seen wonderful looking concept cars that we know in our heart of hearts would sell but the companies have not had the guts to follow through?
I am really looking forward to the release of the convertible Evoque. The reaction the various keyboard warriors will no doubt be very vocal, but from a business point of view it will be absolutely the right thing for LR to do and will again lead I think to an increase in profits and workforce, which can only be a good thing
The management at LR have taken a very bold and almost unprecedented move in productionising a concept car. How many times have we seen wonderful looking concept cars that we know in our heart of hearts would sell but the companies have not had the guts to follow through?
I am really looking forward to the release of the convertible Evoque. The reaction the various keyboard warriors will no doubt be very vocal, but from a business point of view it will be absolutely the right thing for LR to do and will again lead I think to an increase in profits and workforce, which can only be a good thing
andyeds1234 said:
rtz62 said:
I agree with the 2nd post; something very large has sat on it.
Even my kids, 5 & 6 point at them and laugh with their hands over ther mouths; imagine the embarrassment of the driver / fashion victim being laughed at by such young kids.
And, I'd never have ANYTHING that has Victoria Beckham remotely connected to it, the skinny, miserable talentless tart. (can't bring myself to call her by her subriquet 'posh' as she posh compared to what? Jodie Marsh?!?!)
Most 5 and 6 year olds couldn't care less what anyone else drives, let alone laugh at them.Even my kids, 5 & 6 point at them and laugh with their hands over ther mouths; imagine the embarrassment of the driver / fashion victim being laughed at by such young kids.
And, I'd never have ANYTHING that has Victoria Beckham remotely connected to it, the skinny, miserable talentless tart. (can't bring myself to call her by her subriquet 'posh' as she posh compared to what? Jodie Marsh?!?!)
With opinions like those you need to ask who are the real victims....
I take take issue with some of this.
Attempting to do this kind of mileage in a 10 year old car will give problems. Parts wear out, and while you can get lucky for a year or two, a 10 year old car doing that kind of mileage WILL give a few issues. A new one is less likely to do so, and is also under warranty. I believe the Evoque will also be supported by JLR roadside assist for the first 3 years. I'm well aware of the fixing + parts costs vs depreciation costs, but some just don't want the hassle of being stuck in the middle of a snowstorm on the Lecht pass.
In any case (ignorant opinion coming up, I've not driven either!), I'd be willing to bet that the Evoque will knock spots of a 10-year-old Forester on road. In diesel form it would also be a shedload cheaper to fuel, too.
I can't think of many cars which would fulfill this role as well as the Evoque. I haven't made up these requirements to prove a point, they are broadly speaking my mother's needs. FWIW she has a Kuga.
Ethical - Again why? Unless you're against all new cars.
Environmental - All news cars can come under this accusation, but there are those who would say that JLR products, due to being built in the UK involve less environmental impact due to transportation. I suspect this should be taken with a bucket of salt... but still.
Economic - Along with many other posters, I'd say this is a car that contributes far more to the British economy and workforce than a 10 year old Subaru ever will.
Aesthetic Negligence - That's opinion, and I don't value or agree with yours.
Vandalism - What? I really don't get you. Is this an environment thing again?
In case you missed the gist, I think you're wrong.
Ftumpch said:
If you must have an off-road-capable car then please, for the good of humanity, get yourself a 10-year-old Subaru Forester instead, and donate the difference to helping out the disadvantaged, or towards research into energy efficiency.
What if you want, or require a car that's good on road, can tow, can take dogs, you do 30k per year and live in the highlands of Scotland, so a few times a year snow is a probability?Attempting to do this kind of mileage in a 10 year old car will give problems. Parts wear out, and while you can get lucky for a year or two, a 10 year old car doing that kind of mileage WILL give a few issues. A new one is less likely to do so, and is also under warranty. I believe the Evoque will also be supported by JLR roadside assist for the first 3 years. I'm well aware of the fixing + parts costs vs depreciation costs, but some just don't want the hassle of being stuck in the middle of a snowstorm on the Lecht pass.
In any case (ignorant opinion coming up, I've not driven either!), I'd be willing to bet that the Evoque will knock spots of a 10-year-old Forester on road. In diesel form it would also be a shedload cheaper to fuel, too.
I can't think of many cars which would fulfill this role as well as the Evoque. I haven't made up these requirements to prove a point, they are broadly speaking my mother's needs. FWIW she has a Kuga.
Ftumpch said:
Buy and Evoque by contrast, and you are committing an anti-social act of ethical, environmental, economic, and aesthetic negligence and vandalism. Tell me I'm wrong!!
Anti-Social - Why? Because you don't like the looks? Why is it worse than any other car? Or is it just the environment stuff that's got you so worked up. In which case I'm surprised that you're not against all cars.Ethical - Again why? Unless you're against all new cars.
Environmental - All news cars can come under this accusation, but there are those who would say that JLR products, due to being built in the UK involve less environmental impact due to transportation. I suspect this should be taken with a bucket of salt... but still.
Economic - Along with many other posters, I'd say this is a car that contributes far more to the British economy and workforce than a 10 year old Subaru ever will.
Aesthetic Negligence - That's opinion, and I don't value or agree with yours.
Vandalism - What? I really don't get you. Is this an environment thing again?
In case you missed the gist, I think you're wrong.
Coolbanana said:
I wouldn't say the RRE boot is tiny at all - it is quite wide.
RRE 5 door rear seats up: 575 litres
RRE 5 door rear seats down: 1445 litres
Qashqai+2 rear seats up: 450 litres (assuming not using third row which reduces to 130 litres)
Qashqai+2 rear seats down: 1520 litres
So the Qashqai+2 does indeed have a larger luggage capacity with an extra 75 litres if you put the middle row rear seats down...great for taking rubbish to the tip but with 4 people in the car the RRE has a larger boot!
Not knocking the Qashqai, it is a handsome, well specced car that I like.
Gobsmaked by those figures. sRRE 5 door rear seats up: 575 litres
RRE 5 door rear seats down: 1445 litres
Qashqai+2 rear seats up: 450 litres (assuming not using third row which reduces to 130 litres)
Qashqai+2 rear seats down: 1520 litres
So the Qashqai+2 does indeed have a larger luggage capacity with an extra 75 litres if you put the middle row rear seats down...great for taking rubbish to the tip but with 4 people in the car the RRE has a larger boot!
Not knocking the Qashqai, it is a handsome, well specced car that I like.
t. I clearly got it wrong !!! Perception.... It did feel much shorter but come to think of it, the width helps !I also think that the folded additional seat of the QQ rob a lot of space...
Thanks for the facts !
Dimski I reckon most people in the Highlands will be sticking with their current 4x4 s rather than rushing to buy what is a relatively cramped expensive piece of kit. Marmite car indeed, have to say prefer vegemite myself. But, and this is the important point who cares. If you like it and have the cash then go for it.
Just as an aside is it just me or is that convertible version RRs homage to the Rodius- would you really want to be seen in one?
Just as an aside is it just me or is that convertible version RRs homage to the Rodius- would you really want to be seen in one?
I really do like the Evoque.
I remember the Land Rover Enthusiast mag doing a review of it back in Sept last year, and they rated it highly.
It looks good - much better than the Freelanders, and is known to be a capable machine.
Although, I have seem more women than men driving them!
For me and for that sort of money, I would prefer a Twisty Defender!
I remember the Land Rover Enthusiast mag doing a review of it back in Sept last year, and they rated it highly.
It looks good - much better than the Freelanders, and is known to be a capable machine.
Although, I have seem more women than men driving them!
For me and for that sort of money, I would prefer a Twisty Defender!
AML said:
Dimski I reckon most people in the Highlands will be sticking with their current 4x4 s rather than rushing to buy what is a relatively cramped expensive piece of kit. Marmite car indeed, have to say prefer vegemite myself. But, and this is the important point who cares. If you like it and have the cash then go for it.
Oh, I completely agree about the people who live in the highlands. But then, given the roads (in the summer at any rate) it is a surprise that more of them don't place more value in the way a car drives on road. I was responding to what I thought was a judgemental post with car choice conditions that I felt backed my argument. 
I don't think I'd choose one either, but I have wondered about them... I currently do a lot of miles towing, and my XF is great. It cruises, even with the trailer beautifully on the motorways. However, at a couple of places I go regularly, I have got stuck on grassy/soft ground (more than once, I'm ashamed to say). The idea of a vehicle like the Evoque that can do an 600 mile weekend (I'm planning that this weekend) in more comfort on the road than a FL2, drive better when not towing, and give me a bit more ability than the XF to avoid getting stuck appeals a lot.
If I can consider it on these grounds, then surely it is a bit much to say it is nothing but a fashion status car. (Not directed at you, you understand, more at those who write it off on those grounds) Anyway, even if it is, I'm glad that these people are choosing a car with substance behind the style, and contributing to British manufacture with their choice. Huzzah for the the Evoque!
Agoogy said:
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rear privacy glass though....I really hope this idea dies a very quick death..
I used to think it looked a bit silly but if you have kids and/or a dog it's great. No need for those crap stick on sun blinds.rear privacy glass though....I really hope this idea dies a very quick death..
I don't like the look of the Evok at all btw. I'm sure it's a great car though and I wouldn't turn one down if it was offered for free.
so called said:
I just bought my Wife one.
Reasons -
Drives fantastic.
Wanted to replace her current Nissan Murano with as modern a looking SUV/Crossover (or whatever you want to call it) as possible.
Wanted good quality.
I can watch TV while she drives
I'm not interested in other peoples opinions of me.
I buy and drive cars the I like and not what other people try to push me to or away from.
Each to there own.
No car is to everones taste.
I love my TVR Tuscan.......the Hamster hates it, so what.
Reasons -
Drives fantastic.
Wanted to replace her current Nissan Murano with as modern a looking SUV/Crossover (or whatever you want to call it) as possible.
Wanted good quality.
I can watch TV while she drives
I'm not interested in other peoples opinions of me.
I buy and drive cars the I like and not what other people try to push me to or away from.
Each to there own.
No car is to everones taste.
I love my TVR Tuscan.......the Hamster hates it, so what.
nicely putdave_s13 said:
Agoogy said:
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rear privacy glass though....I really hope this idea dies a very quick death..
I used to think it looked a bit silly but if you have kids and/or a dog it's great. No need for those crap stick on sun blinds.rear privacy glass though....I really hope this idea dies a very quick death..
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