RE: PH Carpool: Range Rover Evoque SD4
Discussion
AML said:
OK so here's the thing what if we compare an Evoque to say a Golf GTI.
Is it faster, cheaper, more economical, roomier, better built or better to drive?
I accept it will be better off road- but when do they go there?
Undoubtedly they are a fashion item- but so what- good luck to them.
fashion or not i like the evoque and the new mini coupe simply because they do not look like every other car on the road Is it faster, cheaper, more economical, roomier, better built or better to drive?
I accept it will be better off road- but when do they go there?
Undoubtedly they are a fashion item- but so what- good luck to them.
I can gaurantee that it's main selling point for at least 90% of buyers will be
a) How it looks
b) How other people view it.
However having said that I really like it and it's probably one of the few SUV's I'd consider owning. Yes I have no idea how it drives either but just look at it! It's big, chunky and it looks like a car designed 20 years into the future. Yes I'll admit it could be accused of being crass but compared to all the other ugly cars being released these days, it really is lovely to look at. Is this a good enough reason to buy it? Judging by the number I have seen on the road already I'd say definately. The fact that by all accounts it's a pretty decent car too makes it all the more compelling.
a) How it looks
b) How other people view it.
However having said that I really like it and it's probably one of the few SUV's I'd consider owning. Yes I have no idea how it drives either but just look at it! It's big, chunky and it looks like a car designed 20 years into the future. Yes I'll admit it could be accused of being crass but compared to all the other ugly cars being released these days, it really is lovely to look at. Is this a good enough reason to buy it? Judging by the number I have seen on the road already I'd say definately. The fact that by all accounts it's a pretty decent car too makes it all the more compelling.
AML said:
OK so here's the thing what if we compare an Evoque to say a Golf GTI.
Is it faster, cheaper, more economical, roomier, better built or better to drive?
I accept it will be better off road- but when do they go there?
Undoubtedly they are a fashion item- but so what- good luck to them.
Where does that argument stop then?Is it faster, cheaper, more economical, roomier, better built or better to drive?
I accept it will be better off road- but when do they go there?
Undoubtedly they are a fashion item- but so what- good luck to them.
A golf Gti is also a fashion item if your definition of 'fashion' item is 'anything that is more expensive than something similar' which appears to be the case.
TO look at it another way around: Its stunning looking, high quality and economical luzury family car. JUst because it is fashionable doesn't make it a 'fashion item'.
David87 said:
My Dad has one just like this, except it's an Si4 and has a black roof and seats. I have been seriously impressed by it, to the point where I've questioned if a Range Rover Sport or big Range Rover would really be necessary for the majority of their buyers. It is that good.
Agreed about the wing mirrors, though. They are obstructive to the point of being dangerous. Something for the facelift!
I really like the Evoque, and we were going to get one (I would still like one) but the boot is just too small and with me driving (6ft 4”) there is very little leg room in the rear (Important to some, but I’m sure not many buyers). So for us it is a very impractical car, compared to the current X-Type estate which in comparison can swallow everything you throw at it. Agreed about the wing mirrors, though. They are obstructive to the point of being dangerous. Something for the facelift!
Aesthetically they are lovely, but a bit like the opposite of a Tardis, large on the outside yet giving the feeling of a small car on the inside. Which may suit some who like the cockpit setup.
I don’t think the Evoque is a patch on the RRS or FFRR for anything bar perhaps fit of finish.
Fashion is of course a word often used to describe something that is very current and attractive to the masses at this very moment in time, but that probably won't appear quite as attractive in the future once fashions/trends change.
I think the dramatic styling will ensure that the shape doesn't age well, a Golf (as suggested above) is IMO less of a fashion item, the shape has evolved over the years, and none look particularly outdated or unfashionable.
I'm sure it's a great car, but I remember thinking shell suits were really functional when they were first sold.
I think the dramatic styling will ensure that the shape doesn't age well, a Golf (as suggested above) is IMO less of a fashion item, the shape has evolved over the years, and none look particularly outdated or unfashionable.
I'm sure it's a great car, but I remember thinking shell suits were really functional when they were first sold.
I thought it was impractical too when I looked at one. Not much good if you have kids AND luggage to transport.
Due to the rear end styling any child sat in the back wouldn't have much fun as their head would barely be above the bottom of the window to see out. Boot is comprimised too of course.
They do look nice though and although I think they are overpriced they can't be because they are selling a lot of them.
Didn't sit well with me though in the showroom with one of these, a top spec freelander (same engine and gearbox) and a v6 diesel discovery side by side. Freelander 29500, discovery 40000, evoque 45000......
All the evoque had in spec over the freelander was 20in wheels and a pan roof........for 15k. A lot to pay for nicer styling and less space.
I wouldn't knock anyone for having one though, if you like them and don't need the space then go for it, they look good and will probably hold their money too.
Due to the rear end styling any child sat in the back wouldn't have much fun as their head would barely be above the bottom of the window to see out. Boot is comprimised too of course.
They do look nice though and although I think they are overpriced they can't be because they are selling a lot of them.
Didn't sit well with me though in the showroom with one of these, a top spec freelander (same engine and gearbox) and a v6 diesel discovery side by side. Freelander 29500, discovery 40000, evoque 45000......
All the evoque had in spec over the freelander was 20in wheels and a pan roof........for 15k. A lot to pay for nicer styling and less space.
I wouldn't knock anyone for having one though, if you like them and don't need the space then go for it, they look good and will probably hold their money too.
A very nice car, and I'm glad the owner is enjoying it.
I was looking at getting one of these for the wife (IMO it's a very feminine car), as she had always wanted an old land rover until she sat in one and found out how agricultural it was inside.
We didn't buy the Evoque because it just didn't meet our needs. We're a two car family, one big car for tip runs and long holidays with kids, the other a nippy run-about. the Evoque was to be the new big car, but the inside is smaller than most hatchbacks. The boot is tiny and the kids in the back have no leg room and can't see out of the windows (our kids are little).
The end conlusion was that it's the biggest 2+2 coupe we'd ever seen. For such a big car, the interior dimensions are crazy.
I was looking at getting one of these for the wife (IMO it's a very feminine car), as she had always wanted an old land rover until she sat in one and found out how agricultural it was inside.
We didn't buy the Evoque because it just didn't meet our needs. We're a two car family, one big car for tip runs and long holidays with kids, the other a nippy run-about. the Evoque was to be the new big car, but the inside is smaller than most hatchbacks. The boot is tiny and the kids in the back have no leg room and can't see out of the windows (our kids are little).
The end conlusion was that it's the biggest 2+2 coupe we'd ever seen. For such a big car, the interior dimensions are crazy.
I do like the Evoque and am glad its built over here but agree it is as has been said going to be one of those cars that attract a certain type, round Cheshire it went from none to thousands seemingly overnight, 90 percent seem to be white and I saw the first "typical" owner the other day, bleached blonde third division WAG type with bleached blonde hair and orange skin (kind of like a photo Negative) parked in a parent and child spot with no kids in tow, all massive sunglasses and Leopard print leggings.
Well done to the OP for not getting a white one but I am not so sure on the registration, I didnt read it as being and Evoque for Mr Cox, I initially thought that it was someone called "Evo" who appreciates Cox (car being on the Pinky red sprectrum), then I took it as a dig at Mitsubishi Lancer drivers then I got it and I am not sure which implication is actually worse.
Well done to the OP for not getting a white one but I am not so sure on the registration, I didnt read it as being and Evoque for Mr Cox, I initially thought that it was someone called "Evo" who appreciates Cox (car being on the Pinky red sprectrum), then I took it as a dig at Mitsubishi Lancer drivers then I got it and I am not sure which implication is actually worse.
Rear visibility is actually much better than you'd expect, mr Cox is however correct about the forward visibility- between the massive mirrors and A-Pillars it can be rather hard to see cars coming at you on roundabouts.
Also the diesel doesn't seem to make much sense, giving only 35mpg I'd rather have the petrol which is a much nicer drive and still gives around 30mpg.
Also the diesel doesn't seem to make much sense, giving only 35mpg I'd rather have the petrol which is a much nicer drive and still gives around 30mpg.
I like these.
When I first saw one, I liked it, then I started seeing white ones all over the place and my interest waned.
Your Silver over Red one looks very nice indeed. I prefer the 3dr thing, but there are obvious reasons for choosing the 5dr - not least claustrophobia in the back of the 3dr.
Good choice. Especially the !white.
When I first saw one, I liked it, then I started seeing white ones all over the place and my interest waned.
Your Silver over Red one looks very nice indeed. I prefer the 3dr thing, but there are obvious reasons for choosing the 5dr - not least claustrophobia in the back of the 3dr.
Good choice. Especially the !white.
ITP said:
I thought it was impractical too when I looked at one. Not much good if you have kids AND luggage to transport.
Due to the rear end styling any child sat in the back wouldn't have much fun as their head would barely be above the bottom of the window to see out. Boot is comprimised too of course.
They do look nice though and although I think they are overpriced they can't be because they are selling a lot of them.
Didn't sit well with me though in the showroom with one of these, a top spec freelander (same engine and gearbox) and a v6 diesel discovery side by side. Freelander 29500, discovery 40000, evoque 45000......
All the evoque had in spec over the freelander was 20in wheels and a pan roof........for 15k. A lot to pay for nicer styling and less space.
I wouldn't knock anyone for having one though, if you like them and don't need the space then go for it, they look good and will probably hold their money too.
I'm a bit confused by the space thing - it actually has plenty of room inside for 5 (we have a 5-door version). Top spec Freelander 2 is the HSE, which has a base price of £33k. For £29.5k in showroom, you'd be looking at a GS with a few options or an XS with hardly anything. The Evoque you saw for £45k would have been a top of the range car probably with a lux pack. Disco 4 for £40k would have been a poverty spec GS (I think they retail for £38k and you'd have to pay for metallic paint and leather seats!).Due to the rear end styling any child sat in the back wouldn't have much fun as their head would barely be above the bottom of the window to see out. Boot is comprimised too of course.
They do look nice though and although I think they are overpriced they can't be because they are selling a lot of them.
Didn't sit well with me though in the showroom with one of these, a top spec freelander (same engine and gearbox) and a v6 diesel discovery side by side. Freelander 29500, discovery 40000, evoque 45000......
All the evoque had in spec over the freelander was 20in wheels and a pan roof........for 15k. A lot to pay for nicer styling and less space.
I wouldn't knock anyone for having one though, if you like them and don't need the space then go for it, they look good and will probably hold their money too.
My car has the SD4 diesel engine (190hp), is an auto, has panoramic roof, xenons, Nav, improved stereo, auto lights and wipers, leather, bluetooth, iPod connection, powered tailgate and a heated front windscreen (nice touch this, I used to have it in an old Ford Escort and it's brilliant in the winter) for £35k. It also feels very nice on the inside too! So, whilst certainly not cheap, they are not all £45k plus either!
J-P said:
Unlike the Audi TT of course, which is bought solely for dynamic talent and driver engagement 
I wouldn't say it was a 100% fashion item. But at 45k and less practical than, say, a yeti (or freelander) at 25k, or a real luxury suv like an rx450 for similar money, it does make it a 75% fashion item to be honest. The others being somewhere between a 20 and 40% fashion item!
And I bet a few tt's have been chopped in for one....
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