Austria reduces new driver deaths by 30%
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Compulsory post test training in the first year reduces young driver deaths by 30%
So - should that be made compulsory here?
Compulsory post test training in the first year reduces young driver deaths by 30%
So - should that be made compulsory here?
Learners will be able to use the motorway from later on this year I think, plans were announced last year. They are our safest roads statistically but it's never made any sense for people to be allowed on them with absolutely no training.
Personally I'd do this the other way round, instead of compulsory post-test training I'd make it compulsory to do the Pass Plus before you can take the practical test. I never did one and I lived too far from a motorway to have done motorway training (as plenty of people do) but we do have 3 lane dual carraigeway which instructors use. I know somebody who did the pass plus who reported it covered lots of useful stuff which instructors generally dont bother with because examiners never mark them on such things.
Personally I'd do this the other way round, instead of compulsory post-test training I'd make it compulsory to do the Pass Plus before you can take the practical test. I never did one and I lived too far from a motorway to have done motorway training (as plenty of people do) but we do have 3 lane dual carraigeway which instructors use. I know somebody who did the pass plus who reported it covered lots of useful stuff which instructors generally dont bother with because examiners never mark them on such things.
MX7 said:
I think we should have stricter tests. It costs stupid money to insure a new driver, and I think the money would be better spent on training people to drive than on charging stupid insurance premiums.
Its nothing to do with how strict the test is. I passed the test 3 years ago and it seemed perfectly fair and strict enough to me, testing all the key observational skills and driving courtesy etc. No, the problem is idiot chavs that drive like a saint to pass their test then immediately start driving like absolute tossers, especially to impress their mates (innit?).
I see no way though to mitigate this other than banning people below a certain IQ from driving or installing the infernal gps trackers in cars and thus losing another civil liberty.
Marf said:
RegMolehusband said:
The sooner the better IMHO
Agreed, also add motorway training.Seems bonkers to me to train a driver everywhere except the busiest fastest roads in the country.
Also, my nearest motorway is about 90 miles away (and I'm not in a particularly remote area of Scotland). Bit of a logistics problem there.
A dual carraigeway generally has 2 lanes in each direction. A motorway usually has 3 for most of it. I'm talking about a dual carraigeway which happens to have 3 lanes for quite a large section so is commonly used by driving instructors to give motorway-type training.
I hope I have made myself clear
I hope I have made myself clear
mat777 said:
Its nothing to do with how strict the test is. I passed the test 3 years ago and it seemed perfectly fair and strict enough to me, testing all the key observational skills and driving courtesy etc.
No, the problem is idiot chavs that drive like a saint to pass their test then immediately start driving like absolute tossers, especially to impress their mates (innit?).
I see no way though to mitigate this other than banning people below a certain IQ from driving or installing the infernal gps trackers in cars and thus losing another civil liberty.
Why not just make it so that for the first 3 years of having a license whether a kid or arriving from overseas you can only drive one of those light blue Reliant Robins. No, the problem is idiot chavs that drive like a saint to pass their test then immediately start driving like absolute tossers, especially to impress their mates (innit?).
I see no way though to mitigate this other than banning people below a certain IQ from driving or installing the infernal gps trackers in cars and thus losing another civil liberty.
Same for anyone who returns from a ban.
Personally, I don't think kids are any worse than at any other time but cars are much faster and far more expensive to fix.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 4th April 17:59
simoid said:
I feared what measures a country that bans lawnmowing on a Sunday would propose for young drivers.
Which having lived in such a country makes for lovely quiet Sunday's sat in your garden. Nothing more annoying than your inconsiderate w
ker neighbors all around starting their stty briggs and strattons up for an hour all-throughout the day. Real piss boiler.MX7 said:
I think we should have stricter tests. It costs stupid money to insure a new driver, and I think the money would be better spent on training people to drive than on charging stupid insurance premiums.
You cannot teach experience so how would they get around that problem for a new driver - thats the bit thats missingmatthias73 said:
martin84 said:
Personally but we do have 3 lane dual carraigeway which instructors use. .
Sorry, what?In America they call it a "divided highway", which is a bit easier to understand.
So a dual carriageway can have 1, 2, 3 or more lanes in each direction. In highway engineering parlance, a two lane dual carriageway is a dual 2, a three lane dual carriageway is a dual 3, and so on. A standard piece of motorway is a dual 3.
Some people think that a dual carriageway is any road with two lanes going in each direction. It often is, but it doesn't have to be.
A single carriageway is a road without a central reservation. A single carriageway can have two lanes in one direction - eg up a hill where you have a crawler lane and an overtaking lane. But it's still a single carriageway and the NSL is 60 and not 70.
If you don't believe me, take a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_carriageway
martin84 said:
A dual carraigeway generally has 2 lanes in each direction. A motorway usually has 3 for most of it. I'm talking about a dual carraigeway which happens to have 3 lanes for quite a large section so is commonly used by driving instructors to give motorway-type training.
I hope I have made myself clear
Many think the word DUAL means TWO lanes and not TWO seperated carriagewaysI hope I have made myself clear
DonkeyApple said:
Personally, I don't think kids are any worse than at any other time but cars are much faster and far more expensive to fix.
There is likely to be a lot of truth in that plus the improved insulation that reduces the illusion of speed etc. Society also appears to be trying to separate the individual from taking responsibility for their actions so the chav can more easily justify someelse being at fault and repeating the same mistake.mat777 said:
Its nothing to do with how strict the test is. I passed the test 3 years ago and it seemed perfectly fair and strict enough to me, testing all the key observational skills and driving courtesy etc.
No, the problem is idiot chavs that drive like a saint to pass their test then immediately start driving like absolute tossers, especially to impress their mates (innit?).
Agreed. Passing the driving test seems to be the high watermark of most people's driving capabilities.No, the problem is idiot chavs that drive like a saint to pass their test then immediately start driving like absolute tossers, especially to impress their mates (innit?).
Not sure how easy it would be to implement but I'd like to see different grades of license for different vehicles. Something like
Grade 1 = vehicle under 1000cc/60bhp
Grade 2 = vehicle under 1400cc/100bhp
Grade 10 = Unlimited cc / bhp
For men especially the "ego" element would encourage further training
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