Pictures of decently Modified cars [Vol. 2]
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Petrolism said:
My CRX-R - A Tribute to Ayrton Senna & Soichiro Honda. Built to FULL Type R Spec. as if produced at the Hamamatsu Honda Factory.
(Senna owned a CRX V-Tec and Soichiro Honda was particularly fond of the B16 V-Tec production engine & got to see the prototype 190 bhp Type R B16b engine, shortly before he passed away).
The full build story and VIDEO series: on www.jomoncarrental.com/blog - if anybody has an hour or so to kill & is a fan of Type R Hondas.
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Absolutely spot on.(Senna owned a CRX V-Tec and Soichiro Honda was particularly fond of the B16 V-Tec production engine & got to see the prototype 190 bhp Type R B16b engine, shortly before he passed away).
The full build story and VIDEO series: on www.jomoncarrental.com/blog - if anybody has an hour or so to kill & is a fan of Type R Hondas.
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A mate of mine is a CRX nut, must have had a several of them with various B16,B18,B20 engine swaps. His current "best" one is similar to the example above, a black JDM SIR model only it now has a JDM Honda Prelude H22 engine which makes over 250hp combined with an B series gearbox containing shorter ratios and a LSD. It's an absolute animal, does 13s quarters and there aren't many things that can stick with it down the country lanes!
If you can find one a good UK model VTI is a desirable spec and dam nice car as standard. However , a JDM SiR is the one to get , a non sunroof model with various performance upgrades ,it is the pinnacle of CRXs,
aka_kerrly said:
Petrolism said:
My CRX-R - A Tribute to Ayrton Senna & Soichiro Honda. Built to FULL Type R Spec. as if produced at the Hamamatsu Honda Factory.
(Senna owned a CRX V-Tec and Soichiro Honda was particularly fond of the B16 V-Tec production engine & got to see the prototype 190 bhp Type R B16b engine, shortly before he passed away).
The full build story and VIDEO series: on www.jomoncarrental.com/blog - if anybody has an hour or so to kill & is a fan of Type R Hondas.
]
Absolutely spot on.(Senna owned a CRX V-Tec and Soichiro Honda was particularly fond of the B16 V-Tec production engine & got to see the prototype 190 bhp Type R B16b engine, shortly before he passed away).
The full build story and VIDEO series: on www.jomoncarrental.com/blog - if anybody has an hour or so to kill & is a fan of Type R Hondas.
]
A mate of mine is a CRX nut, must have had a several of them with various B16,B18,B20 engine swaps. His current "best" one is similar to the example above, a black JDM SIR model only it now has a JDM Honda Prelude H22 engine which makes over 250hp combined with an B series gearbox containing shorter ratios and a LSD. It's an absolute animal, does 13s quarters and there aren't many things that can stick with it down the country lanes!
If you can find one a good UK model VTI is a desirable spec and dam nice car as standard. However , a JDM SiR is the one to get , a non sunroof model with various performance upgrades ,it is the pinnacle of CRXs,
It's been quick enough to show a pair of heels to a friend's Porsche GT3, but the truth is he didn't know the roads quite as well and was happy to follow close behind, at least until he was unable to get through ever closing gaps on the Tokyo C1 highways. Never mind the Cayman and other cars in our group that were left way behind on the twisty bits.
I did think of fitting a B18C Type R Integra engine, as discussed on the build story (Videos, & writeup on the blog), but wanting to keep the power steering and there only being around 10-15 bhp in an extra 200cc (or we actually have a retired Prelude Type-S ex-endurance race-car, which made around 250 bhp that we could've taken the engine from), I thought better of it.
The longer the stroke, the less safely revs can be used on these engines and I prefer having a safe 9,000 rpm rev limit. The B18C can also be used at up to 9K (as my DC2 Type R does, with a Spoon ECU), but anything much bigger and the risks get a bit too high. 2.2 can't rev quite as high, or at least shouldn't unless being prepared to rebuild with more regularity than Honda had intended.
There was not a lot wrong with an EK9 Civic Type R's performance and I like thinks like power steering and air conditioning. Plus, being able to get a shaken in Japan without resorting to costly ways around it, a B16A with B16B internals, etc. made sense for this one.
Might put the 2.2 red-topped H22A from the Prelude Type-S into the EF Civic I plan to build sometime, although the plan was to build a full SiR Spec perfect Civic hatch from all the mechanical parts taken off this CRX-R.
Being a Type R spec of as close as I could make it to being of factory-produced guise, the B16A block made the most sense too.
Edited by Petrolism on Monday 1st June 09:38
Petrolism said:
Thanks.
I did think of a B18C Type R Integra engine, as discussed on the build story (Videos, & writeup on the blog), but wanting to keep the power steering and there only being around 10-15 bhp in an extra 200cc (or we actually have a retired Prelude Type-S ex-endurance race-car, which made around 250 bhp that we could've taken the engine from), I thought better of it.
The longer the stroke, the less safely revs can be used on these engines and I prefer a 9,000 rpm rev limit.
There was not a lot wrong with an EK9 Civic Type R's performance and I like thinks like power steering and air conditioning + being able to get a shaken in Japan without resorting to costly ways around it, so a B16A with B16B internals, etc. made sense for this one. Might put the 2.2 red topped H22A from the Prelude into the EF Civic I plan to build sometime, although the plan was to build a full SiR Spec perfect Civic hatch from all the mechanical parts taken off this CRX-R. Plus it's a Type R spec, as close as I could make it to being of factory produced guise, so the B16A block made most sense again.
I did think of a B18C Type R Integra engine, as discussed on the build story (Videos, & writeup on the blog), but wanting to keep the power steering and there only being around 10-15 bhp in an extra 200cc (or we actually have a retired Prelude Type-S ex-endurance race-car, which made around 250 bhp that we could've taken the engine from), I thought better of it.
The longer the stroke, the less safely revs can be used on these engines and I prefer a 9,000 rpm rev limit.
There was not a lot wrong with an EK9 Civic Type R's performance and I like thinks like power steering and air conditioning + being able to get a shaken in Japan without resorting to costly ways around it, so a B16A with B16B internals, etc. made sense for this one. Might put the 2.2 red topped H22A from the Prelude into the EF Civic I plan to build sometime, although the plan was to build a full SiR Spec perfect Civic hatch from all the mechanical parts taken off this CRX-R. Plus it's a Type R spec, as close as I could make it to being of factory produced guise, so the B16A block made most sense again.
I feel we could chat for hours about these things. My mate went through a similar thought process when it came to what he wanted from his perfect CRX. Having gone from a mental spec B16 he went to a B20 thinking extra hp+torque would improve it , as you say though the more fragile nature of the engine an "relative" lack of revs made him reverse the swap. Another mate had a Accord Type R and others had Preludes, then a mutual friend put a H22 into a EG Civic (matt green an was featured in Japanese Performance Magazine) so the plan was to build another UK spec VTI Crx shell with a H22 from a donor UK Accord Type R. Then an already built with a huuuuuuuuge spec list JDM SiR +JDM H22 came up for sale so that was snapped up, a B16 lobbed back into the other shell an he was content.....ish, because there are always tweaks/development occurring.
I've sent him the link to your blog and I know he will phone me later with " WILD IDEAS" of what he wants next. I'm really hoping he appreciates your wheel choice because I've been trying to convince him he really needs to upgrade his Rotas ( i cant stand them). Are you running 16x7 or 15inch versions of the MF8s???
The EF h22 sounds like a cracking idea!!!!! my first ever experience of Honda Vtec power was a EF Vti 1.6, a mate at Uni had one and at that time there were no speed cameras/camera phones/dash cams so if you weren't caught it never happened & I had a 1.3l Ford Fiesta.... anyhow, 1st gear, 2nd gear, 3rd gear FLAT out down City road in Cardiff, turning off into the side streets, still 2nd gear into Vtec, cars barely 20cm either side
Strangely I haven't seen a EF Civic on the road in a few years, then , last Thursday I was in Gloucester getting the alignment on my car sorted and there was a EF Civic in the car park, then 30min later another one arrives, then a EG Civic. Quite bonkers.
aka_kerrly said:
I feel we could chat for hours about these things. My mate went through a similar thought process when it came to what he wanted from his perfect CRX. Having gone from a mental spec B16 he went to a B20 thinking extra hp+torque would improve it , as you say though the more fragile nature of the engine an "relative" lack of revs made him reverse the swap. Another mate had a Accord Type R and others had Preludes, then a mutual friend put a H22 into a EG Civic (matt green an was featured in Japanese Performance Magazine) so the plan was to build another UK spec VTI Crx shell with a H22 from a donor UK Accord Type R. Then an already built with a huuuuuuuuge spec list JDM SiR +JDM H22 came up for sale so that was snapped up, a B16 lobbed back into the other shell an he was content.....ish, because there are always tweaks/development occurring.
I've sent him the link to your blog and I know he will phone me later with " WILD IDEAS" of what he wants next. I'm really hoping he appreciates your wheel choice because I've been trying to convince him he really needs to upgrade his Rotas ( i cant stand them). Are you running 16x7 or 15inch versions of the MF8s???
The EF h22 sounds like a cracking idea!!!!! my first ever experience of Honda Vtec power was a EF Vti 1.6, a mate at Uni had one and at that time there were no speed cameras/camera phones/dash cams so if you weren't caught it never happened & I had a 1.3l Ford Fiesta.... anyhow, 1st gear, 2nd gear, 3rd gear FLAT out down City road in Cardiff, turning off into the side streets, still 2nd gear into Vtec, cars barely 20cm either side
Strangely I haven't seen a EF Civic on the road in a few years, then , last Thursday I was in Gloucester getting the alignment on my car sorted and there was a EF Civic in the car park, then 30min later another one arrives, then a EG Civic. Quite bonkers.
I don't remember with certainty, but I seem to recall they're 16 x 7.5 MF8's. Expensive wheels when originals, being one of the few forged choices that can be made to fit. My hubs are 4H 114.4, same as an early DC2's.
I'll probably just end up making the EF Civic powered by a B16A too (using the CRX's original engine and another SiR's box I bought with worn synchros, to rebuild). Will be a fun car and probably worth more here in Japan with a B16A in it too.
Would be a waste of a perfectly good track-ready Type S Prelude, otherwise. The car won an endurance championship in 2010, after we spent a lot of time sorting out the handling and dialing out the understeer tendencies it originally came with. Someday we might use it again.
Petrolism said:
My CRX-R - A Tribute to Ayrton Senna & Soichiro Honda. Built to FULL Type R Spec. as if produced at the Hamamatsu Honda Factory.
(Senna owned a CRX V-Tec and Soichiro Honda was particularly fond of the B16 V-Tec production engine & got to see the prototype 190 bhp Type R B16b engine, shortly before he passed away).
The full build story and VIDEO series: on www.jomoncarrental.com/blog - if anybody has an hour or so to kill & is a fan of Type R Hondas.
<<thud>>(Senna owned a CRX V-Tec and Soichiro Honda was particularly fond of the B16 V-Tec production engine & got to see the prototype 190 bhp Type R B16b engine, shortly before he passed away).
The full build story and VIDEO series: on www.jomoncarrental.com/blog - if anybody has an hour or so to kill & is a fan of Type R Hondas.
Edited by Petrolism on Friday 29th May 16:55
I'm pretty sure that's a top 5 car from this thread, for me.
TheJimi said:
Petrolism said:
My CRX-R - A Tribute to Ayrton Senna & Soichiro Honda. Built to FULL Type R Spec. as if produced at the Hamamatsu Honda Factory.
(Senna owned a CRX V-Tec and Soichiro Honda was particularly fond of the B16 V-Tec production engine & got to see the prototype 190 bhp Type R B16b engine, shortly before he passed away).
The full build story and VIDEO series: on www.jomoncarrental.com/blog - if anybody has an hour or so to kill & is a fan of Type R Hondas.
<<thud>>(Senna owned a CRX V-Tec and Soichiro Honda was particularly fond of the B16 V-Tec production engine & got to see the prototype 190 bhp Type R B16b engine, shortly before he passed away).
The full build story and VIDEO series: on www.jomoncarrental.com/blog - if anybody has an hour or so to kill & is a fan of Type R Hondas.
Edited by Petrolism on Friday 29th May 16:55
I'm pretty sure that's a top 5 car from this thread, for me.
Haven't read this entire thread, but I'm sure there must be many other more interesting cars on Pistonheads forums.
Thank-You!
Yep, they were really underrated. When V-Tec EF Hondas were new, the supposedly best hot hatches at the time were Golf 1.8 GTi's and Peugeout 1.9 GTi's.
The CR-X V-Tec would run rings around them and pretty much every other standard hot hatch of the time.
The DC2 Type R was better yet, in my mind though, especially with a few well-chosen tweaks.
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Yep, they were really underrated. When V-Tec EF Hondas were new, the supposedly best hot hatches at the time were Golf 1.8 GTi's and Peugeout 1.9 GTi's.
The CR-X V-Tec would run rings around them and pretty much every other standard hot hatch of the time.
The DC2 Type R was better yet, in my mind though, especially with a few well-chosen tweaks.
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I've had 3 of them in my past, 16v and v-tec.
I loved everything about the interior and exterior design, the engine of course and build quality..
Handling was a smidge 'off' with understeer from factory, but could be engineered out..
Expensive too wasn't it? compared to "Gti" competition...
anyway, as modified car, your example is extremely decent
I loved everything about the interior and exterior design, the engine of course and build quality..
Handling was a smidge 'off' with understeer from factory, but could be engineered out..
Expensive too wasn't it? compared to "Gti" competition...
anyway, as modified car, your example is extremely decent
RB Will said:
I'm pretty sure SpeedKore did the Tantrum Charger. Which is one my the best resto-modded Chargers made imo. 
Has a sodding great boat engine, with like 1700hp.
http://www.speedhunters.com/2015/12/muscle-car-mee...
Quickmoose said:
I've had 3 of them in my past, 16v and v-tec.
I loved everything about the interior and exterior design, the engine of course and build quality..
Handling was a smidge 'off' with understeer from factory, but could be engineered out..
Expensive too wasn't it? compared to "Gti" competition...
anyway, as modified car, your example is extremely decent
Thanks again. I loved everything about the interior and exterior design, the engine of course and build quality..
Handling was a smidge 'off' with understeer from factory, but could be engineered out..
Expensive too wasn't it? compared to "Gti" competition...
anyway, as modified car, your example is extremely decent
I think its a bit of a marmite car. Not everybody liked/likes the wedge styling. Build quality is O.K. - Now they've aged, they have their fobbies. Things like seats mountings cracking, rear hinge sealant cracking and leaking in water, heater controls that disintegrate when anybody tries to remove them, etc., and (but not so much with cars in Japan) they tend to rust!
But that's 30-year-old car problems; Willing to bet today's cars care less likely to last as long or invoke quite the same nostalgia, 30 years from now. LOL.
Some cars of the '80's (& more of) the'90's were the most fun, I think.
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