Why arent supercars driven?
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mickyveloce said:
The SLS ( on my profile picture ) belongs to my father in law , and is used very much 'as a car' .
It's not his only car , but when the mood takes him it's used for shopping ( sighted on PH in Lidl , Stockton) , and caused my neighbour to fall about laughing when he turned up at my house with a boot full of logs !
My guess is that it hasn't the fragility associated with the Italian stuff , so will wear it's miles better if he ever decides to sell . It's a piece of mobile magnificence , and went through it's first annual service with change from 300 pounds . What's not to like !
£300 is a bloody bargin for servicing, I thought it would be more too. Bet that was an entertaining sight. Turning up with a boot full of logs in an SLS It's not his only car , but when the mood takes him it's used for shopping ( sighted on PH in Lidl , Stockton) , and caused my neighbour to fall about laughing when he turned up at my house with a boot full of logs !
My guess is that it hasn't the fragility associated with the Italian stuff , so will wear it's miles better if he ever decides to sell . It's a piece of mobile magnificence , and went through it's first annual service with change from 300 pounds . What's not to like !
steelej said:
Wills2 said:
Those that aren't rich but have managed to save up for the "dream" will quickly find that doing 20k+ a year in a F430 is eye wateringly expensive.
In 20k miles and just over 2 years of ownership in my 430, insurance has cost 600 quid a year, first major service at 18750 miles was pricey at 1500, second service was just an annual minor service at 600 quid. My friend has spent more running his Porsche boxster. Not really what i'd call eye watering for a supercar.John.
When you factor in everything including depreciation, fuel, tyres, disks and pads then IMHO the costs can be eye watering I notice you didn't put them in your post.
Also I talked about doing 20k+ per year not 20k over 2 and that makes a massive difference to the running costs as a for instance my 911 has cost £1.14 per mile to run all up or £22,800 per year on an annual mileage of 20k+ and that's for a cooking 911 that I've done 49k in 2.5 years. (to me that was eye watering!)
So I would imagine that had I bought an f430 with my 70k then I would be looking at much higher costs covering the same miles, at 15mpg doing 20k per annum would cost the thick end of 10k alone.
Anyways enjoy your car, I know I enjoy mine what it costs!
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 6th April 13:57
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 6th April 13:58
Du1point8 said:
you do get the exceptions... I believe there are at least 2 PHers with super cars with mileage north of 100k.
Ferrari 360 and merci come to mind.
I also thought it would be down to cost of insurance and limitations on it, most people get a limited mileage due it being there weekend car.
and he's spent the best part of 100k maintaining it Ferrari 360 and merci come to mind.
I also thought it would be down to cost of insurance and limitations on it, most people get a limited mileage due it being there weekend car.
martin84 said:
Personally I'd want a supercar I could use every day. There's plenty of semi-practical sports cars which are used everyday - MX5, SLK etc but rarely proper supercars.
that's why the 911 sells so well, its proven over the decades that it can take mileage and it doesn't hit residuals any where as badly as it does to fezza's and lambo'sWills2 said:
Hi John, sorry I think my "dream" quote might have sounded a bit off, but to your point regarding the costs of running your f430, I've been pretty honest with myself regarding the costs of running my 911 it's all too easy to forget to include the whole picture.
When you factor in everything including depreciation, fuel, tyres, disks and pads then IMHO the costs can be eye watering I notice you didn't put them in your post.
Also I talked about doing 20k+ per year not 20k over 2 and that makes a massive difference to the running costs as a for instance my 911 has cost £1.14 per mile to run all up or £22,800 per year on an annual mileage of 20k+ and that's for a cooking 911 that I've done 49k in 2.5 years. (to me that was eye watering!)
So I would imagine that had I bought an f430 with my 70k then I would be looking at much higher costs covering the same miles, at 15mpg doing 20k per annum would cost the thick end of 10k alone.
Anyways enjoy your car, I know I enjoy mine what it costs!
You're right I didn't include brakes, 300 quid over the 20k miles, all i've needed was front pads. 4 tyres, 220 quid for rears, 180 quid for fronts, so around 800 quid, 500 quid less than my father in laws bmw 530d run flats. None of these costs are eye watering, some things in your everyday daily driver cost more that things I need for my 430. Again I really don't see fuel as specific to supercars, as said earlier my volvo xc90 does 18mpg vs 15 for the 430, cheaper of course but not by much.When you factor in everything including depreciation, fuel, tyres, disks and pads then IMHO the costs can be eye watering I notice you didn't put them in your post.
Also I talked about doing 20k+ per year not 20k over 2 and that makes a massive difference to the running costs as a for instance my 911 has cost £1.14 per mile to run all up or £22,800 per year on an annual mileage of 20k+ and that's for a cooking 911 that I've done 49k in 2.5 years. (to me that was eye watering!)
So I would imagine that had I bought an f430 with my 70k then I would be looking at much higher costs covering the same miles, at 15mpg doing 20k per annum would cost the thick end of 10k alone.
Anyways enjoy your car, I know I enjoy mine what it costs!
What i'm really trying to get at here is that some people may be robbed of living a dream due to urban myths around running supercars, of course you could be unlucky and have eye watering costs but that's not the norm, by the sounds of things my 430 has been cheaper to run over 20k miles than your 911
John
Well this guy did 91,000 miles in a Gallardo
http://jalopnik.com/5559767/i-sold-everything-to-b...
Think its been posted but worth a read.
http://jalopnik.com/5559767/i-sold-everything-to-b...
Think its been posted but worth a read.
DonkeyApple said:
The answer is finance.
Nearly all these mid level 'super' cars are bought on finance and this will restrict mileage.
Many live in cities and just aren't used for long drives anywhere.
Because they are asperational many people own them who cannot just drive them outside of the expected mileage zone and take the appreciation or the additional service costs.
I think you're kidding yourself, frankly.Nearly all these mid level 'super' cars are bought on finance and this will restrict mileage.
Many live in cities and just aren't used for long drives anywhere.
Because they are asperational many people own them who cannot just drive them outside of the expected mileage zone and take the appreciation or the additional service costs.
steelej said:
You're right I didn't include brakes, 300 quid over the 20k miles, all i've needed was front pads. 4 tyres, 220 quid for rears, 180 quid for fronts, so around 800 quid, 500 quid less than my father in laws bmw 530d run flats. None of these costs are eye watering, some things in your everyday daily driver cost more that things I need for my 430. Again I really don't see fuel as specific to supercars, as said earlier my volvo xc90 does 18mpg vs 15 for the 430, cheaper of course but not by much.
What i'm really trying to get at here is that some people may be robbed of living a dream due to urban myths around running supercars, of course you could be unlucky and have eye watering costs but that's not the norm, by the sounds of things my 430 has been cheaper to run over 20k miles than your 911
John
This is not main dealer servicing I take it John?What i'm really trying to get at here is that some people may be robbed of living a dream due to urban myths around running supercars, of course you could be unlucky and have eye watering costs but that's not the norm, by the sounds of things my 430 has been cheaper to run over 20k miles than your 911
John
Dave Hedgehog said:
that's why the 911 sells so well, its proven over the decades that it can take mileage and it doesn't hit residuals any where as badly as it does to fezza's and lambo's
Exactly. I don't like the modern 911 but if I could only have one car then it's the one that ticked the most boxes. But these cars, the 911, the 430 etc aren't supercars, just excellent sports cars.
Supercars are the step above from mass produced showroom kit however good it is.
LukeSi said:
£300 is a bloody bargin for servicing
Then get yourslf a Corvette! My C5 has averaged about that over 13 years of ownership, including a full set of tyres, which is stunningly inexpensive. No way will an SLS be able to sustain that as an average.Reality is that if a supercar doesn't fit your lifestyle there's no point owning it. You need secure parking at all your normal destinations.
Terminator X said:
Chap in Evo Mag earns money from his supercars so they are well used - his Lambo has 250k on it from memory 
TX.
That would be Simon George. His 458 is racking up the miles as are both of his Murcialago's. He has a supercar drivers club so the cars get used as god intended.TX.
His write up's in Evo are worth reading. No pampered lifestyle for his 200k mile Lamborhini's!!!
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