Range Rover unreliability cont...
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so the RR reliability issue crops up on these forums daily
saw a young lady with hazards on in a white RR Evoque, stopped as thought she might have been out of fuel
she said about 5 lights on the dash came on and the car ground to a shuddering halt
she said it had only done 4500 miles
surely the Evoque is not as unreliable as the previous hard shoulder dwellers synonymous with RR
saw a young lady with hazards on in a white RR Evoque, stopped as thought she might have been out of fuel
she said about 5 lights on the dash came on and the car ground to a shuddering halt
she said it had only done 4500 miles
surely the Evoque is not as unreliable as the previous hard shoulder dwellers synonymous with RR
best cars in the world in every single way except reliability.
I used to have two and loved them in everyway but the headache of issues was enough to put me off for life but i still miss it like hell but dread the thought of having one again with issues.
LR answer to this if you are rich you can afford it, even if i agree on that the inconvenience they cause far outweight the issue with maintenance cost.
I used to have two and loved them in everyway but the headache of issues was enough to put me off for life but i still miss it like hell but dread the thought of having one again with issues.
LR answer to this if you are rich you can afford it, even if i agree on that the inconvenience they cause far outweight the issue with maintenance cost.
tbc said:
so the RR reliability issue crops up on these forums daily
saw a young lady with hazards on in a white RR Evoque, stopped as thought she might have been out of fuel
she said about 5 lights on the dash came on and the car ground to a shuddering halt
she said it had only done 4500 miles
surely the Evoque is not as unreliable as the previous hard shoulder dwellers synonymous with RR
Whats the point in this post??saw a young lady with hazards on in a white RR Evoque, stopped as thought she might have been out of fuel
she said about 5 lights on the dash came on and the car ground to a shuddering halt
she said it had only done 4500 miles
surely the Evoque is not as unreliable as the previous hard shoulder dwellers synonymous with RR
You see all marques on the hard shoulder, new, old etc.
vincenz said:
tbc said:
so the RR reliability issue crops up on these forums daily
saw a young lady with hazards on in a white RR Evoque, stopped as thought she might have been out of fuel
she said about 5 lights on the dash came on and the car ground to a shuddering halt
she said it had only done 4500 miles
surely the Evoque is not as unreliable as the previous hard shoulder dwellers synonymous with RR
Whats the point in this post??saw a young lady with hazards on in a white RR Evoque, stopped as thought she might have been out of fuel
she said about 5 lights on the dash came on and the car ground to a shuddering halt
she said it had only done 4500 miles
surely the Evoque is not as unreliable as the previous hard shoulder dwellers synonymous with RR
You see all marques on the hard shoulder, new, old etc.
I love land rovers, but would never claim to buy one because I felt it was the epitome of quality engineering
IATM said:
best cars in the world in every single way except reliability.
I used to have two and loved them in everyway but the headache of issues was enough to put me off for life but i still miss it like hell but dread the thought of having one again with issues.
LR answer to this if you are rich you can afford it, even if i agree on that the inconvenience they cause far outweight the issue with maintenance cost.
I couldn't agree more.I used to have two and loved them in everyway but the headache of issues was enough to put me off for life but i still miss it like hell but dread the thought of having one again with issues.
LR answer to this if you are rich you can afford it, even if i agree on that the inconvenience they cause far outweight the issue with maintenance cost.
I feel like i only ever post on PH to slate LR.
But im still dont understand why LRs get such high praise when competitors beat them in reliability and almost match them in everything else.
My dads old landcruiser had near enough 300000 miles on it and had never put a foot wrong whilst under his 4 year ownership (from 200000 miles, and was previously used to tow oil rig equipment around, clearly highly stressing the engine).
He then bought another one which he sold for £6000 with 250000 miles on it and 11 years old to a Mongolian man who was exporting it for his father in Mongolia, due to their reputation for unbeatable reliability.
The fact they hold their value so well proves there reputation to those in the know.
Surely if you want to go properly mud plugging you dont want to end up stranded with more than enough traction, but an engine that wont move you? Fine if you live in the city, i guess..
But im still dont understand why LRs get such high praise when competitors beat them in reliability and almost match them in everything else.
My dads old landcruiser had near enough 300000 miles on it and had never put a foot wrong whilst under his 4 year ownership (from 200000 miles, and was previously used to tow oil rig equipment around, clearly highly stressing the engine).
He then bought another one which he sold for £6000 with 250000 miles on it and 11 years old to a Mongolian man who was exporting it for his father in Mongolia, due to their reputation for unbeatable reliability.
The fact they hold their value so well proves there reputation to those in the know.
Surely if you want to go properly mud plugging you dont want to end up stranded with more than enough traction, but an engine that wont move you? Fine if you live in the city, i guess..
On our second Freelander (same as an Evoque under the skin) only one problem with the first and that was at 3 years olod, second one is coming up for 2 years with no issues.
I am sure there are others with different experiences, maybe we have been lucky, Mrs T had three Clios for three years each and no reliability problems with any of them, so luck is a possibility.
I am sure there are others with different experiences, maybe we have been lucky, Mrs T had three Clios for three years each and no reliability problems with any of them, so luck is a possibility.
I have never had a breakdown, or indeed any issues in the three Range Rovers I have owned. The current TDV8 has been metronomic thus far. But my favourite was my V8 Softdash classic (complete with shotgun racks) which had bags of character, and the only thing that failed in 3 years of ownership was a rusty top tailgate! Even my 'stopgap winter' 15 year old DiscoV8Es only suffered from a broken alternator during 9 months of de-cat hooning. Maybe I have just been super lucky, or maybe it is just being careful when you buy and putting the money in up front to get a good one. I would still rather run an unreliable proper/FFRR than a X5/Q7/ML/Cayenne etc?.
..maybe the white Evoque was objecting to its colour and clothing after seeing Stornoway GreyDefenders and Epsom Green FFRRs on the production line..having a 'young philadelphia type lady' piloting it was probably the final straw that made it spit the dummy?!!...stand back and wait for abuse, mysoginistic tongue firmly in cheek
..maybe the white Evoque was objecting to its colour and clothing after seeing Stornoway GreyDefenders and Epsom Green FFRRs on the production line..having a 'young philadelphia type lady' piloting it was probably the final straw that made it spit the dummy?!!...stand back and wait for abuse, mysoginistic tongue firmly in cheek
Edited by billzeebub on Friday 6th April 13:47
I never understand all the LR love-in that seems to go on everywhere - "best 4x4 by far" and all that b
ks. Really? So go 4x4 trialling and what's best?
And the acid test: if you were somewhere that your life depended on it what would you rather be in? A Landcruiser or an LR?
Trading on a long gone past reputation IMO.
ks. Really? So go 4x4 trialling and what's best?And the acid test: if you were somewhere that your life depended on it what would you rather be in? A Landcruiser or an LR?
Trading on a long gone past reputation IMO.
I think the problem with land rovers is that they COULD be brilliant as the fundamentals are all there.
Lets take the defender for instance. It has been in production since the early 80's and much of it harks back far longer than that,
It needs:
Stronger prop-shafts and universal joints
A bigger, less stressed engine
A stronger gearbox
Better oil seals
Stronger CV joints/half shafts and diffs
A better heater
Other than these things... it is a great design with nothing fundamentally wrong.
Land rover has had many years to address these problems which would have surely earned them back a big chunk of the global 4x4 market yearning for something tough and simple which they lost to toyota/nissan.
Have they bothered? Have they buggery
There is a culture of "it's good enough" at land rover which is rotten to the core
Lets take the defender for instance. It has been in production since the early 80's and much of it harks back far longer than that,
It needs:
Stronger prop-shafts and universal joints
A bigger, less stressed engine
A stronger gearbox
Better oil seals
Stronger CV joints/half shafts and diffs
A better heater
Other than these things... it is a great design with nothing fundamentally wrong.
Land rover has had many years to address these problems which would have surely earned them back a big chunk of the global 4x4 market yearning for something tough and simple which they lost to toyota/nissan.
Have they bothered? Have they buggery
There is a culture of "it's good enough" at land rover which is rotten to the core
Edited by jbi on Friday 6th April 13:53
Colonial said:
Yep. More than once.
+1 seen many a Lexus on the hard shoulder over the years and if the yanks are to be believed many of them probably got there on full throttle with no input from the driver !Seeing cars on the hard shoulder tells you nothing about unreliability. The most unreliable car I have ever had was a 2008 Jaguar XF when new and it was in the dealer for 42 days of the 15 months I had it but not once did it actually stop dead out on the road.
jbi said:
I think the problem with land rovers is that they COULD be brilliant as the fundamentals are all there.
Lets take the defender for instance. It has been in production since the early 80's and much of it harks back far longer than that,
It needs:
Stronger prop-shafts and universal joints
A bigger, less stressed engine
A stronger gearbox
Better oil seals
Stronger CV joints/half shafts and diffs
A better heater
Other than these things... it is a great design with nothing fundamentally wrong.
Land rover has had many years to address these problems which would have surely earned them back a big chunk of the global 4x4 market yearning for something tough and simple which they lost to toyota/nissan.
Have they bothered? Have they buggery
There is a culture of "it's good enough" at land rover which is rotten to the core
Lets take the defender for instance. It has been in production since the early 80's and much of it harks back far longer than that,
It needs:
Stronger prop-shafts and universal joints
A bigger, less stressed engine
A stronger gearbox
Better oil seals
Stronger CV joints/half shafts and diffs
A better heater
Other than these things... it is a great design with nothing fundamentally wrong.
Land rover has had many years to address these problems which would have surely earned them back a big chunk of the global 4x4 market yearning for something tough and simple which they lost to toyota/nissan.
Have they bothered? Have they buggery
There is a culture of "it's good enough" at land rover which is rotten to the core
Edited by jbi on Friday 6th April 13:53
Don't forget the 1950's safety standards. And the poor build quality. And the huge level of undevelopment (as you've said). And the complete lack of rustproofing.
The 'Defender' design should've been killed off in the 70's, and replaced with this:
Unfortunately for LR, BL at the time decided to spend money on making cars with square steering wheels instead.
Vilhelm said:
Don't forget the 1950's safety standards.
"Model-by-model road accident statistics from the UK Department for Transport show that the Land Rover Defender is one of the safest cars on British roads as measured by chance of death in two-car injury accidents.[34] The figures, which were based on data collected by police forces following accidents between 2000 and 2004 in Great Britain, showed that Defender drivers had a 1% chance of being killed or seriously injured and a 33% chance of sustaining any kind of injury. Other four-wheel-drive vehicles scored equally highly, and collectively these vehicles were much safer than those in other classes such as passenger cars and MPVs. The figures acknowledge that drivers of large mass vehicles are likely to be safer, often at the expense of other drivers if they collide with smaller cars."
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