RE: Porsche Cayenne GTS unveiled

[PurpleMoonlight]

I've had one of those in 2008.

Hated it.

Most uncomfortable car I have ever owned.

[playalistic]

Alfa159Ti said:

No doubt Cayenne drivers need that power for all those last minute motorway exits, where they cut across three lanes of traffic at the last possible moment without indicating.

So true

[jonnydm]

Finally, something comfortable and practical that will also be great on track.

[garypotter]

Sorry Cayenne and sporty in the same sentence!
How heavy is this car?
Not for me - always the very ugly duckling/Emu of the range

[blueSL]

With China and Russia now bigger Porsche markets than the UK and with China soon to overtake the US to the No 1 spot, we should not be surprised if these cars don't appeal. After all, the biggest selling model variant is the Cayenne Diesel and it doesn't even have an engine made by Porsche.

[cayman-black]

Like it and the colour!

[henrycrun]

and the award to the worlds ugliest Waankpanzer goes to...

Edited by henrycrun on Tuesday 10th April 19:30

[Mermaid]

blueSL said:

With China and Russia now bigger Porsche markets than the UK and with China soon to overtake the US to the No 1 spot, we should not be surprised if these cars don't appeal.

Follow the big money, they have their yuppies like we had ours in in late 80's, Porsche took a serious pounding when that market dried up overnight.

[Sierra Mike]

Alfa159Ti said:

No doubt Cayenne drivers need that power for all those last minute motorway exits, where they cut across three lanes of traffic at the last possible moment without indicating.

That's the beauty of LCA - Lane Change Assist

[Powerhound]

Why do people buy these? One of life's great puzzles. ML63 is better, faster, more comfortable, more airbags, better brakes, etc etc. Even X5M, execrable creation that it is, does a better job. Can a badge be that great a lure?? At that price?! Is it just an enormous practical joke - Porsche says, "Look, we can paint it diarrhoea green, and the colour-blind, quality-blind, badge worshippers will still cough up the dough!"

I really don't like it...

[Hitch78]

Powerhound said:

Porsche says, "Look, we can paint it diarrhoea green, and the colour-blind, quality-blind, badge worshippers will still cough up the dough!"

I really don't like it...

I'm sorry chap but if your st has ever been that colour you are in serious trouble. Time to lay off the Mountain Dew!

I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I was looking for a daily for that amount of folding. Comfy, fast, ride well, fast, handle well, fast, well built, fast, safe, fast, reliable, fast, sound awesome. What's not to like?

[Hitch78]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I've had one of those in 2008.

Hated it.

Most uncomfortable car I have ever owned.

Now that is impressive, you owned a 2013 car in 2008! How is the Delorean doing by the way?

[Dusty964]

Powerhound said:

Why do people buy these? One of life's great puzzles. ML63 is better, faster, more comfortable, more airbags, better brakes, etc etc. Even X5M, execrable creation that it is, does a better job. Can a badge be that great a lure?? At that price?! Is it just an enormous practical joke - Porsche says, "Look, we can paint it diarrhoea green, and the colour-blind, quality-blind, badge worshippers will still cough up the dough!"

I really don't like it...

Would the 'quality blind, badge worshippers' be better ploughing the cash into the Merc or BMW that you mention that are 10k or so more expensive than the Porsche???
Dont take it the wrong way, but 'its an enormous practical joke' whereas the two cars that you mention are of course the very pinnacle of quality and taste?

[TimJMS]

MrGeoff said:

TheDeadPrussian said:

Long may Porsche continue to sell these (and the Panamera) by the boat load; it means they can keep developing and building the GT3 and GT2 cars.

'Cash cow' they might be, but without them Porsche would not have the funds to invest in the development of the 'more exciting' Porsches and to continue to support the race program.

That is the only way this car could ever be justified.

What race program? The one where customers buy and race Porsches for money?

It seems a very long time since Porsche went racing.

[bobberz]

I actually think these are not bad. Didn't like the original, but the facelifted one is of a lot more manageable size and looks a lot better.

It should sound amazing, as well, if the old ones are anything to go by.

[Powerhound]

Dusty964 said:

Powerhound said:

Why do people buy these? One of life's great puzzles. ML63 is better, faster, more comfortable, more airbags, better brakes, etc etc. Even X5M, execrable creation that it is, does a better job. Can a badge be that great a lure?? At that price?! Is it just an enormous practical joke - Porsche says, "Look, we can paint it diarrhoea green, and the colour-blind, quality-blind, badge worshippers will still cough up the dough!"

I really don't like it...

Would the 'quality blind, badge worshippers' be better ploughing the cash into the Merc or BMW that you mention that are 10k or so more expensive than the Porsche???
Dont take it the wrong way, but 'its an enormous practical joke' whereas the two cars that you mention are of course the very pinnacle of quality and taste?

I don't equate "execrable" (my word for the X5M) with the "pinnacle of good taste" (yours), so, no. I think the X5M sullies the M brand in the same way the Cayenne does Porsche's. My wife drives an atmo engined ML63 because it is, in our view, a much less pretentious and "off-brand" car than the Cayenne (which, btw, does not have rear airbags and suffers from a truly horrible ride, a cheap interior and an absence of power, at comparable price points to the ML). Horses for courses, I understand, what I find the most objectionable is the way Porsche tries to pretend this abomination is "sporty". Which it just isn't.

[Dave Hedgehog]

i hate suv's but i like that colour combo

[Dusty964]

Powerhound said:

Dusty964 said:

Powerhound said:

Why do people buy these? One of life's great puzzles. ML63 is better, faster, more comfortable, more airbags, better brakes, etc etc. Even X5M, execrable creation that it is, does a better job. Can a badge be that great a lure?? At that price?! Is it just an enormous practical joke - Porsche says, "Look, we can paint it diarrhoea green, and the colour-blind, quality-blind, badge worshippers will still cough up the dough!"

I really don't like it...

Would the 'quality blind, badge worshippers' be better ploughing the cash into the Merc or BMW that you mention that are 10k or so more expensive than the Porsche???
Dont take it the wrong way, but 'its an enormous practical joke' whereas the two cars that you mention are of course the very pinnacle of quality and taste?

I don't equate "execrable" (my word for the X5M) with the "pinnacle of good taste" (yours), so, no. I think the X5M sullies the M brand in the same way the Cayenne does Porsche's. My wife drives an atmo engined ML63 because it is, in our view, a much less pretentious and "off-brand" car than the Cayenne (which, btw, does not have rear airbags and suffers from a truly horrible ride, a cheap interior and an absence of power, at comparable price points to the ML). Horses for courses, I understand, what I find the most objectionable is the way Porsche tries to pretend this abomination is "sporty". Which it just isn't.

Ah, I see. I agree- the ML63 is far less pretentious

[Wills2]

Powerhound said:

Dusty964 said:

Powerhound said:

Why do people buy these? One of life's great puzzles. ML63 is better, faster, more comfortable, more airbags, better brakes, etc etc. Even X5M, execrable creation that it is, does a better job. Can a badge be that great a lure?? At that price?! Is it just an enormous practical joke - Porsche says, "Look, we can paint it diarrhoea green, and the colour-blind, quality-blind, badge worshippers will still cough up the dough!"

I really don't like it...

Would the 'quality blind, badge worshippers' be better ploughing the cash into the Merc or BMW that you mention that are 10k or so more expensive than the Porsche???
Dont take it the wrong way, but 'its an enormous practical joke' whereas the two cars that you mention are of course the very pinnacle of quality and taste?

I don't equate "execrable" (my word for the X5M) with the "pinnacle of good taste" (yours), so, no. I think the X5M sullies the M brand in the same way the Cayenne does Porsche's. My wife drives an atmo engined ML63 because it is, in our view, a much less pretentious and "off-brand" car than the Cayenne (which, btw, does not have rear airbags and suffers from a truly horrible ride, a cheap interior and an absence of power, at comparable price points to the ML). Horses for courses, I understand, what I find the most objectionable is the way Porsche tries to pretend this abomination is "sporty". Which it just isn't.

You gotta love PH, you slag off the Cayenne/X5M, then start justifying your ML63!!!!!!!

[Carfolio]

TheDeadPrussian said:

Long may Porsche continue to sell these (and the Panamera) by the boat load; it means they can keep developing and building the GT3 and GT2 cars.

'Cash cow' they might be, but without them Porsche would not have the funds to invest in the development of the 'more exciting' Porsches and to continue to support the race program.

They are also very good cars if you want or need something of their ilk.

Short-sighted argument.

1. Demand for SUVs was artificially inflated due to CAFE regulation loopholes. The world did not need anything more than Range Rovers, Gelandewagens, Land Cruisers and Pajeros.
2. If nobody made them, no-one would buy them.
3. Porsche and others are throwing away decades of tradition and heritage for short term cash gains and in Porsche's case end up being swallowed by a giant corporate anyway.


These vehicles and those who buy them are completely made from fail.