RE: PH Blog: you can't handle the truth
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sinbaddio said:
Look forward to the continuation - fwiw, having had a 996C4S cab briefly, I think the 991 in all guises looks superb. Don't know statistically but to the eye it seems lower, wider and overall much more agressive.
The first 12 plate car I saw was a 991 and I thought exactly the same thing. Seemed to have lost a certain amount of the characteristic 911 'roundness' and looked a lot more 'supercar' if you know what I mean? Very impressed with it as TBH never a huge fan of the 996/997 styling.
Am I the only one that thinks it looks scarcely any different from the previous model? Certainly the difference is not great enough to leap from the hater camp and go all mushy on it. As I understand it all this '911 rag hatred was justified in the earlier models by the reduction in overall stiffness to the chassis reducing the quality of the handling. Modern design allows many converlibles to have less flex than the coupes of yester-year. So isn't hating the 911 cab just because it's a cab now a little redundent? Has the argument now been reduced to the "covertibles are for girls" viewpoint?
JohnGoodridge said:
There could be a shocker of a story in here.
Best 991 before the GT3 arrives is C2 Cabrio Manual in low spec.
Other reviews I've read suggest that there's little perceptible difference in the driving experience between Cabrio and Coupe. Interested to hear Dan's experience.
The shocker will be when the GT3 arrives and it is a cab..Best 991 before the GT3 arrives is C2 Cabrio Manual in low spec.
Other reviews I've read suggest that there's little perceptible difference in the driving experience between Cabrio and Coupe. Interested to hear Dan's experience.
i dont understand why a company like Porsche spend mega money in a wind tunnle to perfect a 911 coupe and then almost as an afterthought bring out disign compromised rag top.
The 996 with its hump but the most beautiful of all 911's the 993 looks like a pram flapping about.It's very simalar to sprinters and track atheletes wearing tight fitting licra then some plonker comes along and using three or four pins sticks a paper number on them.
The 996 with its hump but the most beautiful of all 911's the 993 looks like a pram flapping about.It's very simalar to sprinters and track atheletes wearing tight fitting licra then some plonker comes along and using three or four pins sticks a paper number on them.
Son, we live in a world that has open tops, and those open tops have to be guarded by roofs made of fabric. Who's gonna hate it? You? You, Dan Trent? Porsche have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the cabriolet, and you curse the coupe. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what Porsche know. That a 911 with a hard top, while tragic, probably saves money. And a Targa’s existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves money. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want that hard top, you need that hard top. We use words like rigidity, weight, handling. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent under a roof. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who likes a roof that rises and falls under a blanket of fabric, and then questions the manner in which it’s provided. I would rather you just said ‘I’ll take a coupe’, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick a GT3, and go to the ‘Ring. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think about 911 cabriolets!
BeresfordParfitt said:
i dont understand why a company like Porsche spend mega money in a wind tunnle to perfect a 911 coupe and then almost as an afterthought bring out disign compromised rag top.
The 996 with its hump but the most beautiful of all 911's the 993 looks like a pram flapping about.It's very simalar to sprinters and track atheletes wearing tight fitting licra then some plonker comes along and using three or four pins sticks a paper number on them.
The first 997 designed was the Cabriolet. This resulted in a very rigid construction which could be further enhanced to the coupe.The 996 with its hump but the most beautiful of all 911's the 993 looks like a pram flapping about.It's very simalar to sprinters and track atheletes wearing tight fitting licra then some plonker comes along and using three or four pins sticks a paper number on them.
I drove a C2 Cab Manual about 3 weeks ago for about 150 miles .. no PASM, 19" wheels. Standard car apart from heated seats, telephone module and rear park assist.
Amazing car. 3.4 engine is very eager and willing, and more than powerful enough for UK roads.
Gearbox is much closer than usual as it's higher up. Shift quality is good, if a little detached. Shifting from 7 to 3 is not easy to get right. Apart from that, I think you will get used to it.
Pressing the SPORT button increases exhaust noise and rortiness .. I tested this many times, and yes, the exhaust note (non PSE car) becomes rortier and louder in SPORT mode. In SPORT mode, exhaust is similar in volume to 997 Gen II PSE on.
Chassis and ride was beautifully compliant. Handling was much more 'alive' than the C2S PDK with PDCC that I drove last year. You feel the car moving around much more, and for me, it is more involving, more interesting and more effort to go fast round corners. Ride on our nasty roads is really beautifully controlled. On really horribly worn sections of the M4, it jittered around a bit and felt slightly unhinged, but that's it.
Interior noise with roof up is low, really low, and about the same as the coupe. Incredible. Really incredible.
With the wind deflector in place (very neat electric deployment and retraction) and windows up at brisk motorway speeds, there's very little turbulence or wind hitting you anywhere.
Great car, even if it list at around £81k as specced!
Amazing car. 3.4 engine is very eager and willing, and more than powerful enough for UK roads.
Gearbox is much closer than usual as it's higher up. Shift quality is good, if a little detached. Shifting from 7 to 3 is not easy to get right. Apart from that, I think you will get used to it.
Pressing the SPORT button increases exhaust noise and rortiness .. I tested this many times, and yes, the exhaust note (non PSE car) becomes rortier and louder in SPORT mode. In SPORT mode, exhaust is similar in volume to 997 Gen II PSE on.
Chassis and ride was beautifully compliant. Handling was much more 'alive' than the C2S PDK with PDCC that I drove last year. You feel the car moving around much more, and for me, it is more involving, more interesting and more effort to go fast round corners. Ride on our nasty roads is really beautifully controlled. On really horribly worn sections of the M4, it jittered around a bit and felt slightly unhinged, but that's it.
Interior noise with roof up is low, really low, and about the same as the coupe. Incredible. Really incredible.
With the wind deflector in place (very neat electric deployment and retraction) and windows up at brisk motorway speeds, there's very little turbulence or wind hitting you anywhere.
Great car, even if it list at around £81k as specced!
Cabs always look best with the roof down (though the 997 cab was a bit arse heavy), its hard to make a 2+2 cab look pretty as so much of the cars lines is taken up by the roof. Whether its as good to drive as the coupe is probaly the difference between 9/10ths and 10/10ths especially modern cars which were designed to be cabs from the start e.g. Elise/Boxster etc...
Me and a mate were in LA last year and it was full of 911 cabs, but it made sense, always sunny, warm evenings, everyone is posing and compared to the chrome wheeled RangeRovers and GMC's it was actually pretty subtle... If I lived there Id have the cab... for the UK a coupe for every day and the Boxster Spyder for the sunny weekends... life would be perfect
Me and a mate were in LA last year and it was full of 911 cabs, but it made sense, always sunny, warm evenings, everyone is posing and compared to the chrome wheeled RangeRovers and GMC's it was actually pretty subtle... If I lived there Id have the cab... for the UK a coupe for every day and the Boxster Spyder for the sunny weekends... life would be perfect
Johnboy Mac said:
My initial reaction is, give me a new Boxster and 40k extra in the bank.
Totally agree. I've had a Boxster, but wouldn't have a 911. Yorkshire tea bags are OK but they haven't changed the basic shape for 40 years, something which tea bag anoraks love to defend to the max.The quality is always there, but a decent update and modernisation may increase the appearance and flavour a bit.needham said:
Totally agree. I've had a Boxster, but wouldn't have a 911. Yorkshire tea bags are OK but they haven't changed the basic shape for 40 years, something which tea bag anoraks love to defend to the max.The quality is always there, but a decent update and modernisation may increase the appearance and flavour a bit.
Very clever!I have just sold my 997S Cab due to the cost of running too many cars these days. I had fantastic trips around Europe in it last year. The roof down along Stelvio, Route Napoleon, etc adds to the driving experience on great roads and I never felt as though the compromises of the handling in a cab could really be felt often enough on public roads to justify the criticism they often receive, although there is no doubting the questionable image you have when driving one.
In recent years I have been lucky enough to have owned Boxter S, Cayman S, 911 in hard and soft top forms.
Best memories and memorable drives - 911 cab
Best car - Cayman S
This is based on public roads as I think you get alot more out of a cayman than a 911 on public roads. The latest 911s are just too fast to properly exploit these days. Track driving would be a completely different matter though although I couldn't compare the above as I never took any of them on a track.
The new 991 looks great although I am more excited about seeing the new Cayman.
In recent years I have been lucky enough to have owned Boxter S, Cayman S, 911 in hard and soft top forms.
Best memories and memorable drives - 911 cab
Best car - Cayman S
This is based on public roads as I think you get alot more out of a cayman than a 911 on public roads. The latest 911s are just too fast to properly exploit these days. Track driving would be a completely different matter though although I couldn't compare the above as I never took any of them on a track.
The new 991 looks great although I am more excited about seeing the new Cayman.
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