Exceeding the speed limit whilst overtaking - opinions
Discussion
To me speed limits are just something to be aware of with regard to plod/scameras, there are plenty of times I'll travel way in excess of the limit if I know the road, conditions are right, etc. Luckily I live in a fairly rural county where you can within reason get away with it. When overtaking I go as fast as possible with no thought to the NSL unless I'm going to need to 'hop' part of the queue and 'push in' (as people would see it).
Luckily I have no car at the moment so this post can't come back and bite for a while at least.
Luckily I have no car at the moment so this post can't come back and bite for a while at least.
chris182 said:
Yep, same. It is easy to see some big numbers as you draw level though (90+ leptons overtaking a 50mph vehicle). I do worry about what PC Plod would have to say if ever they caught one doing this.
I think 90+ might give a a talivan officer good reason to target you. I think the reasoning would be "If you needed to do 90+ to complete the move, it wasn't a good overtake", regardless of how much space there was on the road. That said, my overtaking routine (on a track, obviously) in my old Cupra R was to select 3rd gear, pull out, WOT and and full boost past, sometimes shifting to 4th along the way then pull in. That car could cross the 50-90+ lepton gap in a flash! A lot of turbo cars are just hitting their stride at these speeds some restraint is needed to stop silly numbers from flashing up. I think getting caught speeding whilst overtaking is more likely to get you hauled up in front of a magistrate for dangerous driving, etc than a mere speeding offence.
The official line will be if you cant complete the manoeuvre within the posted speed limit and visibility you have, its not a safe manoeuvre to complete
The official line will be if you cant complete the manoeuvre within the posted speed limit and visibility you have, its not a safe manoeuvre to complete
If you can't overtake confidently and safely without breaking the speed limit, the overtake isn't on. It is that simple.
You can make up rules for yourself, say it is OK to do 80 for a moment for an overtake, but it's just as stupid as saying 85 is the default motorway limit. 99% of the time you'll get away with it, but when you get caught/have an accident, no point complaining.
You can make up rules for yourself, say it is OK to do 80 for a moment for an overtake, but it's just as stupid as saying 85 is the default motorway limit. 99% of the time you'll get away with it, but when you get caught/have an accident, no point complaining.
I always give it a bootfull while overtaking - I want to be on the wrong side of the road for as short a time as I can possibly get away with (obviously driving safely and not cutting anyone up).
I rarely exceed 80 leptons by the time I get back in - although I did get caught out the first time I did a proper 3rd gear overtake in the 328i after being used to considerably less powerful cars! Lets just say I was thankful that plod wasn't sitting round the corner, and I will drop to 4th from now on
I rarely exceed 80 leptons by the time I get back in - although I did get caught out the first time I did a proper 3rd gear overtake in the 328i after being used to considerably less powerful cars! Lets just say I was thankful that plod wasn't sitting round the corner, and I will drop to 4th from now on
Generally I just boot it to get past as quickly as possible having ascertained that there is no potential Talivan presence. That being said, I occasionally do creep past at the limit on the A66/A595 even if there is a Talivan in circumstances where the traffic in front is dawdling along and I am on a long straight with nothing coming the other way - there is after all no law against overtaking!
Adam_W said:
Personally I'm one for giving it everything while passing then slowing when back on the correct side of the road.
As a general rule I do the same.If I've got a really long line of site on a long straight road with no oncoming traffic I might take it a bit more gently, but I usually try to get overtaking over and done with as quickly as I can.
I think technically breaking the speed limit while overtaking is as illegal as anywhere else, but you'd have to be a pretty harsh copper to do someone for 62mph during a safe, otherwise-legal overtake. And I guess you shouldn't be overtaking unless your view is good enough to see anywhere a road side speed trap might be lurking.
Unfortunately the law has to panda (sic) to the lowest common denominator, which these days is practically below the inteligence of a radish. These people need a "speed limit" to try to prevent them doing something stupid.
For anyone else with the ability to think for themselves the speed limit is simply a arbitory, but legally binding, "suggestion" as to a maximum safe speed. if we ignore the fact that a modern car can outperform the 1960's car, at which time the limits were set, by a massive margin, we can also realise the fact that this limit cannot cover every eventuality. The ultimate risk descision between your speed and safety lies with each driver. Whilst going faster is obviously going to result in a more severe accident, there is no direct link between risk and speed. In fact, as mentioned, under certain circumstances, faster = less risk.
For anyone else with the ability to think for themselves the speed limit is simply a arbitory, but legally binding, "suggestion" as to a maximum safe speed. if we ignore the fact that a modern car can outperform the 1960's car, at which time the limits were set, by a massive margin, we can also realise the fact that this limit cannot cover every eventuality. The ultimate risk descision between your speed and safety lies with each driver. Whilst going faster is obviously going to result in a more severe accident, there is no direct link between risk and speed. In fact, as mentioned, under certain circumstances, faster = less risk.
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